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Apple also sells customers to app makers through store fees. They don't just sell phones.

by cma 6y ago

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smilespray 6y ago
They also sell search result placements on the App Store, which is making the already poor search function worse. The whole "services as the next growth segment" concept is a possible slippery slope for Apple.
ineedasername 6y ago
No more than a mall sells customers to the retailers it contains. (With the caveat that, with Apple, customers aren't allowed to shop at another mall.) The mall (app store) may let retailers advertise via kiosks and banners etc, but that's basically keyword advertising, not selling personal information. Providing a marketplace like this might loosely be construed as "selling customers" but it is in a massively different class of less abusive behavior than how facebook sells customers.
- kyriakos 6y ago
  Malls also don't enforce their payment system
  - Proziam 6y ago
    They also don't stop people from going to a neighboring mall. Unfortunately, the app stores' owners certainly do that. https://www.wired.com/story/install-apps-outside-app-store-sideload/ https://www.wired.com/story/install-apps-outside-app-store-s...
  - ineedasername 6y ago
    Sure, but that's in a different class of user-abusive behavior than the pettiness of Facebook trying to "inflict pain" on Apple in one of the areas where Apple is less abusive to users.
    - kyriakos 6y ago
      What people don't understand is that because Facebook is doing something bad doesn't mean apple isn't also.
      - ineedasername 6y ago
        What I meant by a "different class" was simply that it did not pertain to the privacy aspects of user-hostility brought up by this article.
- cma 6y ago
  > with Apple, customers aren't allowed to shop at another mall And if they switch to another mall Apple will make their messages green on white to make it harder for elderly parents who stayed in the mall to read and keep up with their kids. That's pretty abusive too, a sort of excommunication via inscrutability.
zpeti 6y ago
This is absolutely what this is about. Regaining control of the app store as a discovery of apps. Everyone should realise this is apple's actual goal here, not the privacy rhetoric. So in a way Zuck is right. Facebook through extremely good targeting has turned into the no 1 app discovery tool. This is a fact. This is not to Apple's advantage. They need the app store control for the future of the iphone. This is simply a way to regain the control. It's the only goal.

Apple also sells customers to app makers through store fees. They don't just sell phones.

by cma 6y ago

Apple also sells customers to app makers through store fees. They don't just sell phones.

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smilespray 6y ago

They also sell search result placements on the App Store, which is making the already poor search function worse. The whole "services as the next growth segment" concept is a possible slippery slope for Apple.

ineedasername 6y ago

No more than a mall sells customers to the retailers it contains. (With the caveat that, with Apple, customers aren't allowed to shop at another mall.) The mall (app store) may let retailers advertise via kiosks and banners etc, but that's basically keyword advertising, not selling personal information. Providing a marketplace like this might loosely be construed as "selling customers" but it is in a massively different class of less abusive behavior than how facebook sells customers.

kyriakos 6y ago
Malls also don't enforce their payment system
- Proziam 6y ago
  They also don't stop people from going to a neighboring mall. Unfortunately, the app stores' owners certainly do that. https://www.wired.com/story/install-apps-outside-app-store-sideload/ https://www.wired.com/story/install-apps-outside-app-store-s...
- ineedasername 6y ago
  Sure, but that's in a different class of user-abusive behavior than the pettiness of Facebook trying to "inflict pain" on Apple in one of the areas where Apple is less abusive to users.
  - kyriakos 6y ago
    What people don't understand is that because Facebook is doing something bad doesn't mean apple isn't also.
    - ineedasername 6y ago
      What I meant by a "different class" was simply that it did not pertain to the privacy aspects of user-hostility brought up by this article.
cma 6y ago
> with Apple, customers aren't allowed to shop at another mall And if they switch to another mall Apple will make their messages green on white to make it harder for elderly parents who stayed in the mall to read and keep up with their kids. That's pretty abusive too, a sort of excommunication via inscrutability.

zpeti 6y ago

This is absolutely what this is about. Regaining control of the app store as a discovery of apps. Everyone should realise this is apple's actual goal here, not the privacy rhetoric. So in a way Zuck is right. Facebook through extremely good targeting has turned into the no 1 app discovery tool. This is a fact. This is not to Apple's advantage. They need the app store control for the future of the iphone. This is simply a way to regain the control. It's the only goal.