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> Where were the editors on this? Maybe the good editors at the NYT are too busy getting fired.

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arminiusreturns 6y ago
For those of you unaware, let me summarize what this is referencing. Recently a NYT freelance editor Lauren Wolfe, who mostly worked on the "live updates" team, was fired, but this firing caused some controversy due to the timing of some tweets and who knows what else. It's not completley clear why she was fired, as the NYT responded to requests for comment by the WaPo by saying [1]: "There’s a lot of inaccurate information circulating on Twitter. For privacy reasons we don’t get into the details of personnel matters but we can say that we didn’t end someone’s employment over a single tweet. Out of respect for the individuals involved we don’t plan to comment further. (To clarify something that has been incorrectly reported, Ms. Wolfe was not a full-time employee, nor did she have a contract.)" Quite a few leftists initially blamed the NYT for caving to conservative pressure, apparently by making the claim there was a relation between the tweets she made and her firing, which she confirmed in another WaPo interview [3] by saying "...that an editor at the paper contacted her after she published the “chills” tweet. The Times couldn’t be associated with such a tweet, said the manager, and that her gig with the paper would be ending." Some leftists also seemed to blame Glenn Greenwald for his involvement in the matter; a single tweet in response to hers that he later called "light mockery"[2]. Glenn Greenwald, previously strongly supported by the left and many others, has recently been victim to a series of character assassination attempts due to his unconformity to the mainstream leftists viewpoints, so it rather seems the twitter left mob just used him as a lightening rod without having all the facts in this case. The tweets in question? LW: "The pettiness of the Trump admin not sending a military plane to bring him to D.C. as is tradition is mortifying. Childish She later deleted the above tweet when it was revealed that Biden and his team chose to take his own plane, despite many mainstream media talking heads parroting the same narrative. LW: “Biden landing at Joint Base Andrews now. I have chills” GG: "If you're in the national press and will be on TV at any point today and being to feel the need to weep joyously, just hold it in until you find a private place. Nobody is expecting any adversarial coverage over the next 4 years, but it's just a matter of personal dignity." 1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2021/01/24/lauren-wolfe-new-york-times-biden-tweet/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2021/01/24/lauren-wolfe... 2. https://youtu.be/uL-e6XfWppo?t=293 https://youtu.be/uL-e6XfWppo?t=293 3. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/25/lauren-wolfe-tweet-nyt-dismissal/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/25/lauren-wo...
- ctrlp 6y ago
  Not sure Wolfe would qualify as one of the "good" editors fired at the times. Maybe OP is referring to Bennet? I'm any case the power dynamics at the NYT have been shifting to the detriment of solid reporting for a while now. It's sad but the NYT and WaPo are now the Fox News of the repressive left and state power (so long as it's Blue).
  - jakelazaroff 6y ago
    James Bennet edited the opinion section, so his resignation wouldn’t have anything to do with the shift away from “solid reporting” you’re talking about.
    - ctrlp 6y ago
      Most of the times reads like opinion now, if you haven't noticed.
  - xxpor 6y ago
    The NYT and WaPo editorials and analysis are the most milquetoast center-left opinions you can find. That's always been their position. The difference is now they're coming after Silicon Valley, because they realize they've lost their attention and advertising monopoly. It's all very predicable and boring. It's the same deal with Balaji. The only reason he cares is because the reporting might hurt a company he's invested in. Follow the money. Always follow the money.
- wizzwizz4 6y ago
  That just seems like the average English-language US Twitter thread. (Well, average non-abusive such thread.)
eusvcitz 6y ago
Remember this? https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1235802419734269952 https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1235802419734269952
- rayiner 6y ago
  > MSNBC’s Brian Williams reads a tweet: "Bloomberg spent $500 million on ads. U.S. Population, 327 million. He could have given each American $1 million" > NYT Editorial Board Member Mara Gay: “It’s an incredible way of putting it. It’s true. It’s disturbing”
  - erichocean 6y ago
    > “It’s an incredible way of putting it, it’s true...it’s disturbing” Where's the lie though? Incredible indeed…
    - rayiner 6y ago
      Down-voters missing the joke and precise use of “incredible.”
  - tptacek 6y ago
    You're a smart dude. You know that reporters writing NYT features don't report to the editorial board. Plenty of people that deeply respect NYT reporting (and I'm a WaPo person) think NYT editorial is, like that of the WSJ, a total clownfire.
    - rayiner 6y ago
      The didn’t imply anything about the NYT’s reporting in that post. I was just adding a funny quote regarding a hilariously innumerate take.
stjohnswarts 6y ago
I think it is indeed becoming an echo chamber. Everyone is holing up in their own little everyone-else-is-wrong silos including MSM, it's not just the fringe. There are a group of academics across the aisle from one another trying to fight it but I think it's a battle they can't win. Talks at universities cancelled because someone, who wouldn't even be going is "triggered", stories like this from the NYT, deplatforming people forever, etc.

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For those of you unaware, let me summarize what this is referencing. Recently a NYT freelance editor Lauren Wolfe, who mostly worked on the "live updates" team, was fired, but this firing caused some controversy due to the timing of some tweets and who knows what else. It's not completley clear why she was fired, as the NYT responded to requests for comment by the WaPo by saying [1]: "There’s a lot of inaccurate information circulating on Twitter. For privacy reasons we don’t get into the details of personnel matters but we can say that we didn’t end someone’s employment over a single tweet. Out of respect for the individuals involved we don’t plan to comment further. (To clarify something that has been incorrectly reported, Ms. Wolfe was not a full-time employee, nor did she have a contract.)" Quite a few leftists initially blamed the NYT for caving to conservative pressure, apparently by making the claim there was a relation between the tweets she made and her firing, which she confirmed in another WaPo interview [3] by saying "...that an editor at the paper contacted her after she published the “chills” tweet. The Times couldn’t be associated with such a tweet, said the manager, and that her gig with the paper would be ending." Some leftists also seemed to blame Glenn Greenwald for his involvement in the matter; a single tweet in response to hers that he later called "light mockery"[2]. Glenn Greenwald, previously strongly supported by the left and many others, has recently been victim to a series of character assassination attempts due to his unconformity to the mainstream leftists viewpoints, so it rather seems the twitter left mob just used him as a lightening rod without having all the facts in this case. The tweets in question? LW: "The pettiness of the Trump admin not sending a military plane to bring him to D.C. as is tradition is mortifying. Childish She later deleted the above tweet when it was revealed that Biden and his team chose to take his own plane, despite many mainstream media talking heads parroting the same narrative. LW: “Biden landing at Joint Base Andrews now. I have chills” GG: "If you're in the national press and will be on TV at any point today and being to feel the need to weep joyously, just hold it in until you find a private place. Nobody is expecting any adversarial coverage over the next 4 years, but it's just a matter of personal dignity." 1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2021/01/24/lauren-wolfe-new-york-times-biden-tweet/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2021/01/24/lauren-wolfe... 2. https://youtu.be/uL-e6XfWppo?t=293 https://youtu.be/uL-e6XfWppo?t=293 3. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/25/lauren-wolfe-tweet-nyt-dismissal/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/25/lauren-wo...

ctrlp 6y ago
Not sure Wolfe would qualify as one of the "good" editors fired at the times. Maybe OP is referring to Bennet? I'm any case the power dynamics at the NYT have been shifting to the detriment of solid reporting for a while now. It's sad but the NYT and WaPo are now the Fox News of the repressive left and state power (so long as it's Blue).
- jakelazaroff 6y ago
  James Bennet edited the opinion section, so his resignation wouldn’t have anything to do with the shift away from “solid reporting” you’re talking about.
  - ctrlp 6y ago
    Most of the times reads like opinion now, if you haven't noticed.
- xxpor 6y ago
  The NYT and WaPo editorials and analysis are the most milquetoast center-left opinions you can find. That's always been their position. The difference is now they're coming after Silicon Valley, because they realize they've lost their attention and advertising monopoly. It's all very predicable and boring. It's the same deal with Balaji. The only reason he cares is because the reporting might hurt a company he's invested in. Follow the money. Always follow the money.
wizzwizz4 6y ago
That just seems like the average English-language US Twitter thread. (Well, average non-abusive such thread.)

eusvcitz 6y ago

Remember this? https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1235802419734269952 https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1235802419734269952

rayiner 6y ago
> MSNBC’s Brian Williams reads a tweet: "Bloomberg spent $500 million on ads. U.S. Population, 327 million. He could have given each American $1 million" > NYT Editorial Board Member Mara Gay: “It’s an incredible way of putting it. It’s true. It’s disturbing”
- erichocean 6y ago
  > “It’s an incredible way of putting it, it’s true...it’s disturbing” Where's the lie though? Incredible indeed…
  - rayiner 6y ago
    Down-voters missing the joke and precise use of “incredible.”
- tptacek 6y ago
  You're a smart dude. You know that reporters writing NYT features don't report to the editorial board. Plenty of people that deeply respect NYT reporting (and I'm a WaPo person) think NYT editorial is, like that of the WSJ, a total clownfire.
  - rayiner 6y ago
    The didn’t imply anything about the NYT’s reporting in that post. I was just adding a funny quote regarding a hilariously innumerate take.

stjohnswarts 6y ago

I think it is indeed becoming an echo chamber. Everyone is holing up in their own little everyone-else-is-wrong silos including MSM, it's not just the fringe. There are a group of academics across the aisle from one another trying to fight it but I think it's a battle they can't win. Talks at universities cancelled because someone, who wouldn't even be going is "triggered", stories like this from the NYT, deplatforming people forever, etc.