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For the first part, I understand now, and I think we are more or less on the same page. Although I think I come from a place of treating that commenter as expre
by glenstein 6y ago
For the first part, I understand now, and I think we are more or less on the same page. Although I think I come from a place of treating that commenter as expressing a valid concern, but making a generalization I wouldn't make. I think you're coming from a place of also disagreeing with that generalization, but using it to push back on the idea that there should be any concern of the kind addressed by the commenter. With that, I couldn't possibly disagree with you more.
As for the second part, there's a lot there. It's good that your personal anecdotes you don't know of anyone held captive, but I don't think that was the question, and again I feel like that's coming from a place of wanting to generally dispute that people should be concerned about the practice of holding relatives captive to punish dissent.
For the rest of it, this is exploring the possibility, illustrated through Cixin Liu in a hypothetical example, of what might happen if he ever hypothetically wanted to extricate himself from China. His international success brings with it questions relating to free expression in China, so I treat these conversations as not terribly surprising, and frankly quite necessary.
And again, I don't think there's a literal case that he wants to do this, but that wasn't the point, and your confusion there again seems like it's coming from a place of generally wanting to deny that there should be any concern with how China could conceivably take family members hostage to pressure expat dissidents. And again, I could not disagree with that more.
- v-yadli 6y agoI see now it is no longer about the postscript. It's like a high priority, non-maskable interrupt -- when such conditions are met (China signal pulled up to 3.3v), it is immediately no longer about the matter at hand, but the thought experiments, hypothetical stuff. This is not good in a few ways, but I don't think you care about most of them. But at least, I think, this will matter: If this is necessary and inevitable, then you, as a whole community, will have more difficulty, less efficiency in thinking about, or discussing anything about China.