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>That would be tremendously unfair to working people in or around SF, especially those making $50k or less how is it unfair to miss out on something that you w

>That would be tremendously unfair to working people in or around SF, especially those making $50k or less how is it unfair to miss out on something that you were never promised/offered/entitled to in the first place? that's like saying it's unfair to ... everyone ... when a poor person wins the lottery. >to address the core problems: a poor educational & economic outlook for both young and old really? i thought the core problem of the homeless is that they are without a home? isn't it right there in the word?

caddemon 6y ago
A pretty large percentage of homeless people have severe mental illness [1]. Most people in that boat are not going to benefit much from being handed 50K without active support/guidance. But yeah it goes beyond "education", they need serious medical help. [1] https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/The_homeless_mentally_ill https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/The_homele...
- boringg 6y ago
  A major contributor of the California homeless problem has been supposed to be tied to the de-institutionalization of many people of mental health institutions back in the 60s - its been a sad state of affairs since then. A patchwork of policy with good intentions but poor execution and funding. (https://www.kqed.org/news/11209729/did-the-emptying-of-mental-hospitals-contribute-to-homelessness-here https://www.kqed.org/news/11209729/did-the-emptying-of-menta...)
HomeDeLaPot 6y ago
I started drafting a sincere reply, but I don't think you're arguing in good faith. What are you suggesting, that we give homes to homeless people? That's perfectly fine, then just say that.
- anon_tor_12345 6y ago
  >I started drafting a sincere reply, but I don't think you're arguing in good faith. what is bad faith about taking someone's claims at face value? your claims are 1) 50k distribution to homeless people is unfair to people making less than 50k 2) the core issue of homelessness is a-bunch-of-things–none-of-which-is-being-without-a-home >What are you suggesting, that we give homes to homeless people? i'm not suggesting anything. i'm simply pointing out that your claims are vacuously false given some very obvious counterpoints. but let's "faithfully engage" with your premise; norway has the lowest homelessness rate in the world. what do they do? 1) Reduce eviction petitions by 50% and eviction itself by 30% 2) Prevent individuals recently released from prison or a treatment institution from requiring temporary housing 3) Improve the quality of overnight shelters 4) Limit temporary housing stays to less than three months 5) Ensure safe rental housing for families with children 6) Limit temporary housing to exceptional circumstances, with these arrangements not exceeding three months >The 2014 strategy plans to achieve these goals by providing assistance to individuals shifting from temporary to permanent housing, assistance in obtaining a suitable home within an insecure housing market, preventing evictions and social innovation." note that all of these policies revolve around (unsurprisingly) homes. [1] https://borgenproject.org/homelessness-in-norway/ https://borgenproject.org/homelessness-in-norway/

caddemon 6y ago

A pretty large percentage of homeless people have severe mental illness [1]. Most people in that boat are not going to benefit much from being handed 50K without active support/guidance. But yeah it goes beyond "education", they need serious medical help. [1] https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/The_homeless_mentally_ill https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/The_homele...

boringg 6y ago
A major contributor of the California homeless problem has been supposed to be tied to the de-institutionalization of many people of mental health institutions back in the 60s - its been a sad state of affairs since then. A patchwork of policy with good intentions but poor execution and funding. (https://www.kqed.org/news/11209729/did-the-emptying-of-mental-hospitals-contribute-to-homelessness-here https://www.kqed.org/news/11209729/did-the-emptying-of-menta...)

HomeDeLaPot 6y ago

I started drafting a sincere reply, but I don't think you're arguing in good faith. What are you suggesting, that we give homes to homeless people? That's perfectly fine, then just say that.

anon_tor_12345 6y ago
>I started drafting a sincere reply, but I don't think you're arguing in good faith. what is bad faith about taking someone's claims at face value? your claims are 1) 50k distribution to homeless people is unfair to people making less than 50k 2) the core issue of homelessness is a-bunch-of-things–none-of-which-is-being-without-a-home >What are you suggesting, that we give homes to homeless people? i'm not suggesting anything. i'm simply pointing out that your claims are vacuously false given some very obvious counterpoints. but let's "faithfully engage" with your premise; norway has the lowest homelessness rate in the world. what do they do? 1) Reduce eviction petitions by 50% and eviction itself by 30% 2) Prevent individuals recently released from prison or a treatment institution from requiring temporary housing 3) Improve the quality of overnight shelters 4) Limit temporary housing stays to less than three months 5) Ensure safe rental housing for families with children 6) Limit temporary housing to exceptional circumstances, with these arrangements not exceeding three months >The 2014 strategy plans to achieve these goals by providing assistance to individuals shifting from temporary to permanent housing, assistance in obtaining a suitable home within an insecure housing market, preventing evictions and social innovation." note that all of these policies revolve around (unsurprisingly) homes. [1] https://borgenproject.org/homelessness-in-norway/ https://borgenproject.org/homelessness-in-norway/