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This is a nice site, but it's worth mentioning what exactly 90% coverage entails in practice. It's more painful than people might realize. https://www.sinospli

by Bakary 6y ago

This is a nice site, but it's worth mentioning what exactly 90% coverage entails in practice. It's more painful than people might realize. https://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2016/08/25/what-80-comprehension-feels-like https://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2016/08/25/what-80-...

mcqueenjordan 6y ago
Great article, thanks for sharing. I don't know if there's a technical concept/name for this, but I call it "legibility threshold" -- the threshold at which you are highly likely to be able to intuit the words/ideas you don't know, by the context. I think it's a valuable concept as it pertains to joining a new company/problem domain -- there are so many acronyms/words you don't know, and it takes time to hit the "legibility threshold" where everything starts to click.
- Bakary 6y ago
  I call it the "launchpad" because I can finally leave my native language behind and learn from consuming media directly.
crescentfresh 6y ago
Thank you for that, that was a thoroughly enjoyable read.
pmiller2 6y ago
Exactly. Just think about how bad OCR is when it gets 90% of the words right! With a 90% word accuracy rate, you have roughly between 0.5 and 1 error per sentence in a typical text. That's not great. The only reason we can interpret a text that's been OCR'ed at 90% accuracy is that humans are good at filling in what the right word should be in the face of a spelling mistake. If it put in random, nonsense words, we'd just struggle and say the OCR software was garbage. The previous paragraph is 91 words. Imagine reading it with 9 random nonsense words in place of real English words.
steveBK123 6y ago
PERFECT. Exactly what it felt like trying to learn Japanese in my 30s going to class only 1-2x/week and having no native speakers to converse with daily. Being sort-of proficient or knowing XX% of kanji/vocab/etc sounds a lot more impressive than it is in practice! At first I made a lot of progress. Eventually I got into the middle where every lesson taught me both some new small thing and opened an entire dimensions of other things I didn’t know. I eventually settled on being a functionally illiterate holiday traveler with the vocabulary of a kindergartener. I’m never going to work there, so this is as far as I’m going to go.. I have a few Japanese friends on social media.. When I travel to Japan, and especially in a situation where not in a hurry, I can entertain a taxi driver or make small talk with some older folk in a quieter town I am passing through. In a cafe / pub in a city I can make a quick order in Japanese and if questioned for more detail I have to switch to English pretty quickly. It’s a very humbling experience and everyone should try it. It gives you even greater respect for immigrants who come here and learn English... frequently speaking it better than native born!
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totetsu 6y ago
A lot of meaning making is from understanding context. If you are familiar with a situation you can have near perfect comprehension where you only understand completely 80 of the words.
hello___world 6y ago
Yeah, exactly. I passed N1 which requires ~2000 kanji, but I still frequently encounter words with kanji I haven’t encountered/don’t know the readings of.

by Bakary 6y ago

mcqueenjordan 6y ago

Great article, thanks for sharing. I don't know if there's a technical concept/name for this, but I call it "legibility threshold" -- the threshold at which you are highly likely to be able to intuit the words/ideas you don't know, by the context. I think it's a valuable concept as it pertains to joining a new company/problem domain -- there are so many acronyms/words you don't know, and it takes time to hit the "legibility threshold" where everything starts to click.

Bakary 6y ago
I call it the "launchpad" because I can finally leave my native language behind and learn from consuming media directly.

crescentfresh 6y ago

Thank you for that, that was a thoroughly enjoyable read.

pmiller2 6y ago

Exactly. Just think about how bad OCR is when it gets 90% of the words right! With a 90% word accuracy rate, you have roughly between 0.5 and 1 error per sentence in a typical text. That's not great. The only reason we can interpret a text that's been OCR'ed at 90% accuracy is that humans are good at filling in what the right word should be in the face of a spelling mistake. If it put in random, nonsense words, we'd just struggle and say the OCR software was garbage. The previous paragraph is 91 words. Imagine reading it with 9 random nonsense words in place of real English words.

steveBK123 6y ago

PERFECT. Exactly what it felt like trying to learn Japanese in my 30s going to class only 1-2x/week and having no native speakers to converse with daily. Being sort-of proficient or knowing XX% of kanji/vocab/etc sounds a lot more impressive than it is in practice! At first I made a lot of progress. Eventually I got into the middle where every lesson taught me both some new small thing and opened an entire dimensions of other things I didn’t know. I eventually settled on being a functionally illiterate holiday traveler with the vocabulary of a kindergartener. I’m never going to work there, so this is as far as I’m going to go.. I have a few Japanese friends on social media.. When I travel to Japan, and especially in a situation where not in a hurry, I can entertain a taxi driver or make small talk with some older folk in a quieter town I am passing through. In a cafe / pub in a city I can make a quick order in Japanese and if questioned for more detail I have to switch to English pretty quickly. It’s a very humbling experience and everyone should try it. It gives you even greater respect for immigrants who come here and learn English... frequently speaking it better than native born!

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totetsu 6y ago

A lot of meaning making is from understanding context. If you are familiar with a situation you can have near perfect comprehension where you only understand completely 80 of the words.

hello___world 6y ago

Yeah, exactly. I passed N1 which requires ~2000 kanji, but I still frequently encounter words with kanji I haven’t encountered/don’t know the readings of.