>> That's normal and is why I count startup stock and options as $0. This absolutely need to be conveyed to every present and future employee of startup. Unles

>> That's normal and is why I count startup stock and options as $0. This absolutely need to be conveyed to every present and future employee of startup. Unless you're founder or investor taking a risk - startup shares worth nothing. I think startup hiring managers using worthless options as a negotiating tactic should be prosecuted for securities fraud. Misleading employees is no less crime as misleading investors.