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> Disclaimer: I'm an Indian, so an Asian. That's not exactly how "Asian" works.

by eznzt 6y ago

yumraj 6y ago
Last I checked India was in Asia. Secondly, I'm in the Bay Area, if that was not evident. Third, Manju Kulkarni quoted in the article as Manju Kulkarni, executive director of the Asian Pacific Policy and Planning Council is also of Indian decent. So, yes, I'm an Asian. BTW, if you go to UK, people from Indian sub-continent are referred to as Asians..
- staticautomatic 6y ago
  Sure, but aren’t East and Southeast Asians mainly at issue here?
- hungryhobo 6y ago
  genetically i'd say indians are more caucasian than asian
  - brokencode 6y ago
    This makes no sense, because Indians are literally and indisputably from Asia. What is Asian genetics but the genetics of people who live in Asia? Asian is not a specific nationality or people, and applies to the people of any Asian country.
    - hungryhobo 6y ago
      sure, i'm not saying indians aren't asian. but in the context of this article, when the attacks are based on people looking a certain way, indians don't fit that mold.
  - myWindoonn 6y ago
    FYI this isn't how gene pools work, mathematically; there's no specific profiles of genes which are "Caucasian" or "Asian". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedigree_collapse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedigree_collapse will get you started on a better understanding.
    - hungryhobo 6y ago
      The link doesn't support that you are saying, it illustrates there must overlap between ancestry else the growth is exponential. But doesn't prove that there aren't groups or clusters of gene pools
      - myWindoonn 6y ago
        Genes have physical loci, sure, but there's no partition of humans into haves and have-nots which prohibits gene transfer; humans aren't Sneeches [0] and our offspring often inherit a spectrum of possible features. Pedigree collapse is one of the two main reasons why we are not even as genetically diverse as chimpanzees [1], with the other main reason being that our parliament of genes [2] is very homogenous and rejects many sorts of non-hereditary gene transfer. Ironically, humans form only one race because our genes are in strong agreement with one another and work to reject any radical gene changes, which is likely because human population had a bottleneck in recent history [3]. We haven't had enough time to speciate; we haven't even had enough time to genetically specialize to a degree which would allow speciation to be a possibility. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sneetches_and_Other_Stories#The_Sneetches https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sneetches_and_Other_Storie... [1] https://arstechnica.com/science/2013/10/why-are-apes-more-genetically-diverse-than-we-are/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2013/10/why-are-apes-more-ge... [2] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-13169-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-13169-3 [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory#Genetic_bottleneck_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory#Geneti...
- hansvm 6y ago
  > Last I checked India was in Asia. So is Russia. The objection isn't that you're calling yourself Asian but that your definition is likely different from that in the article, so using that description to associate yourself with the article can come across as misleading/wrong.
  - yumraj 6y ago
    I could be wrong but I've always seen Russians identify themselves as Europeans than as Asians, even though large part of Russia falls in Asia.
ev1 6y ago
Sorry, what? Indian = Asian. How is it "supposed" to work??
- trophycase 6y ago
  I know HN is nitpicky, but whether you like it or not, "asian" refers to "east asian" in terms of US pop-culture racial discourse. It may not be right but it's the way it is.
  - kowlo 6y ago
    Agreed - it's a great opportunity for "HN" to realise, whether they like it or not, that "asian" does not only relate to "east asian". It is appalling that the commenter above had to edit their own comment based on these responses.
    - yumraj 6y ago
      Thanks. TBH the only reason I decided to edit that was because it had started distracting from my main comment...
  - bostonsre 6y ago
    Is US pop-culture racial discourse really the arbiter of truth for discussions on HN? I understand that it can appear slightly confusing to people here in the united states, but over a billion people who you don't consider asian, refer to themselves as asian.
    - imbnwa 6y ago
      "US pop-culture racial discourse" is a generous way of representing the de facto racial caste system in America as some kind of consensus. Because people get browner the further southwest in Asia you go, a distinction is made. Though its most fascinating that in America only recent immigrants would be referred to as European-American, if not their by their specific ethnicity, even though the majority of the country is European-descent; they're called "white" instead. "White" is a racial caste designation, European indicates a person descends from the people in a specific place on Earth; "white" is not a place on Earth. And yet everyone who is not white gets referred to by where they're ancestors are from
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> Disclaimer: I'm an Indian, so an Asian. That's not exactly how "Asian" works.

by eznzt 6y ago

> Disclaimer: I'm an Indian, so an Asian. That's not exactly how "Asian" works.

Last I checked India was in Asia. Secondly, I'm in the Bay Area, if that was not evident. Third, Manju Kulkarni quoted in the article as Manju Kulkarni, executive director of the Asian Pacific Policy and Planning Council is also of Indian decent. So, yes, I'm an Asian. BTW, if you go to UK, people from Indian sub-continent are referred to as Asians..

staticautomatic 6y ago
Sure, but aren’t East and Southeast Asians mainly at issue here?
hungryhobo 6y ago
genetically i'd say indians are more caucasian than asian
- brokencode 6y ago
  This makes no sense, because Indians are literally and indisputably from Asia. What is Asian genetics but the genetics of people who live in Asia? Asian is not a specific nationality or people, and applies to the people of any Asian country.
  - hungryhobo 6y ago
    sure, i'm not saying indians aren't asian. but in the context of this article, when the attacks are based on people looking a certain way, indians don't fit that mold.
- myWindoonn 6y ago
  FYI this isn't how gene pools work, mathematically; there's no specific profiles of genes which are "Caucasian" or "Asian". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedigree_collapse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedigree_collapse will get you started on a better understanding.
  - hungryhobo 6y ago
    The link doesn't support that you are saying, it illustrates there must overlap between ancestry else the growth is exponential. But doesn't prove that there aren't groups or clusters of gene pools
    - myWindoonn 6y ago
      Genes have physical loci, sure, but there's no partition of humans into haves and have-nots which prohibits gene transfer; humans aren't Sneeches [0] and our offspring often inherit a spectrum of possible features. Pedigree collapse is one of the two main reasons why we are not even as genetically diverse as chimpanzees [1], with the other main reason being that our parliament of genes [2] is very homogenous and rejects many sorts of non-hereditary gene transfer. Ironically, humans form only one race because our genes are in strong agreement with one another and work to reject any radical gene changes, which is likely because human population had a bottleneck in recent history [3]. We haven't had enough time to speciate; we haven't even had enough time to genetically specialize to a degree which would allow speciation to be a possibility. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sneetches_and_Other_Stories#The_Sneetches https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sneetches_and_Other_Storie... [1] https://arstechnica.com/science/2013/10/why-are-apes-more-genetically-diverse-than-we-are/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2013/10/why-are-apes-more-ge... [2] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-13169-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-13169-3 [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory#Genetic_bottleneck_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory#Geneti...
hansvm 6y ago
> Last I checked India was in Asia. So is Russia. The objection isn't that you're calling yourself Asian but that your definition is likely different from that in the article, so using that description to associate yourself with the article can come across as misleading/wrong.
- yumraj 6y ago
  I could be wrong but I've always seen Russians identify themselves as Europeans than as Asians, even though large part of Russia falls in Asia.

ev1 6y ago

Sorry, what? Indian = Asian. How is it "supposed" to work??

trophycase 6y ago
I know HN is nitpicky, but whether you like it or not, "asian" refers to "east asian" in terms of US pop-culture racial discourse. It may not be right but it's the way it is.
- kowlo 6y ago
  Agreed - it's a great opportunity for "HN" to realise, whether they like it or not, that "asian" does not only relate to "east asian". It is appalling that the commenter above had to edit their own comment based on these responses.
  - yumraj 6y ago
    Thanks. TBH the only reason I decided to edit that was because it had started distracting from my main comment...
- bostonsre 6y ago
  Is US pop-culture racial discourse really the arbiter of truth for discussions on HN? I understand that it can appear slightly confusing to people here in the united states, but over a billion people who you don't consider asian, refer to themselves as asian.
  - imbnwa 6y ago
    "US pop-culture racial discourse" is a generous way of representing the de facto racial caste system in America as some kind of consensus. Because people get browner the further southwest in Asia you go, a distinction is made. Though its most fascinating that in America only recent immigrants would be referred to as European-American, if not their by their specific ethnicity, even though the majority of the country is European-descent; they're called "white" instead. "White" is a racial caste designation, European indicates a person descends from the people in a specific place on Earth; "white" is not a place on Earth. And yet everyone who is not white gets referred to by where they're ancestors are from

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