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The other countries haven't become provinces of other less Democratic countries thanks to America's protection.

nicoburns 6y ago
Other countries still have armies and soldiers without having armed civilian populations. And America could do this too if they wanted to.
- nickthemagicman 6y ago
  So you want one group of people to use guns to stop another group of people from having guns. Interesting.
  - nicoburns 6y ago
    Actually, I live in the UK. Here the police are mostly not armed, and still manage to prevent other people from having guns. But yes, in principle I'm perfectly happy with the setup where one specialised group holds the power of military force
    - nickthemagicman 6y ago
      The UK is a bigger surveillance state than China. They have one of the worst levels of inequality in the Western World. You have ASBO's which are basically just a blank slate for people to be punished for the vague idea of 'anti-social behavior.' Also, your violent crime rate is the 3rd worst in Europe. The U.K. has a homicide rate of 1.2 per 100k while the U.S. is 5 per 100k. Meanwhile there are 400 MILLION guns in America. So your government is repressive and the citizens are violent. Few countries need guns more the U.K. I'm sorry your gov't has defanged it's citizens so much with minimal benefit and has citizens that actually fight against their best interest.
      - nicoburns 6y ago
        So you're saying there are 4x as many murders in the US? There are definitely lots of problems in the UK: over surveilance and inequality are two of them. But I fail to see how guns would help either of these.
        nickthemagicman 6y ago
        How do you view your govt? As benevolent with good intentions?
        nickthemagicman 6y ago
        If any country needs violent overthrow of their govt which enforces systemic inequality it's England. It's been a thousand years since the battle of Hastings and these same families still own 2/3s of the land. And the inequality is just getting worse! https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/17/high-house-prices-inequality-normans https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfr... Although if someone's in the beneficiary of that they wouldn't see the issue.
        nicoburns 6y ago
        I agree that we could do with reform. But why does it need to be violent?
        injidup 6y ago
        Because then "some" people could live their video game fantasy life of an existence in a Mad Max landscape where the job description is to roll into town in a souped up 1974 Ford Falcon XB GT and solve all problems down the barrel of a gun. So many people want revolution but they only imagine it in a universe where they themselves are holding the stick and not the ones being beaten with it. Revolution should be the last resort not the first.
        nickthemagicman 6y ago

Other countries still have armies and soldiers without having armed civilian populations. And America could do this too if they wanted to.

nickthemagicman 6y ago
So you want one group of people to use guns to stop another group of people from having guns. Interesting.
- nicoburns 6y ago
  Actually, I live in the UK. Here the police are mostly not armed, and still manage to prevent other people from having guns. But yes, in principle I'm perfectly happy with the setup where one specialised group holds the power of military force
  - nickthemagicman 6y ago
    The UK is a bigger surveillance state than China. They have one of the worst levels of inequality in the Western World. You have ASBO's which are basically just a blank slate for people to be punished for the vague idea of 'anti-social behavior.' Also, your violent crime rate is the 3rd worst in Europe. The U.K. has a homicide rate of 1.2 per 100k while the U.S. is 5 per 100k. Meanwhile there are 400 MILLION guns in America. So your government is repressive and the citizens are violent. Few countries need guns more the U.K. I'm sorry your gov't has defanged it's citizens so much with minimal benefit and has citizens that actually fight against their best interest.
    - nicoburns 6y ago
      So you're saying there are 4x as many murders in the US? There are definitely lots of problems in the UK: over surveilance and inequality are two of them. But I fail to see how guns would help either of these.
      - nickthemagicman 6y ago
        How do you view your govt? As benevolent with good intentions?
      - nickthemagicman 6y ago
        If any country needs violent overthrow of their govt which enforces systemic inequality it's England. It's been a thousand years since the battle of Hastings and these same families still own 2/3s of the land. And the inequality is just getting worse! https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/17/high-house-prices-inequality-normans https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfr... Although if someone's in the beneficiary of that they wouldn't see the issue.
        nicoburns 6y ago
        I agree that we could do with reform. But why does it need to be violent?
        injidup 6y ago
        Because then "some" people could live their video game fantasy life of an existence in a Mad Max landscape where the job description is to roll into town in a souped up 1974 Ford Falcon XB GT and solve all problems down the barrel of a gun. So many people want revolution but they only imagine it in a universe where they themselves are holding the stick and not the ones being beaten with it. Revolution should be the last resort not the first.
        nickthemagicman 6y ago