Yes, it certainly wouldn't be "less" of a welfare state than the European countries you're referencing, that's pretty obvious. I don't think proponents of it ar

Yes, it certainly wouldn't be "less" of a welfare state than the European countries you're referencing, that's pretty obvious. I don't think proponents of it are claiming otherwise. I'm not sure what you mean by convoluted though. To me it seems much less convoluted to the existing patchwork welfare we have in this country.