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What exactly then is the point of humanity? To sit around and consume bread and circuses? Isn't this immensely dysgenic, where the productive members of societ

What exactly then is the point of humanity? To sit around and consume bread and circuses? Isn't this immensely dysgenic, where the productive members of society labour all day to produce goods and services for the unproductive, who will use their ample spare time to reproduce and vote for an expansion of UBI? What need is there to even behave decently and civilly, when all of your needs and income are taken care of by the State? Why study or work hard as a child when your future (I will be a UBI recipient, as is my father, as was my father before him) is already established? If we wish to help the working classes of the West, then we need simply eliminate all unskilled immigration and refugee programs. Demand for workers will rise and pressure on infrastructure, Government services, agriculture and housing will decrease - boosting quality of life without UBI. The other major factor of poverty is of women having children out of wedlock. We should stop incentivizing single-motherhood, and offer universal access to family planning including further development of vasalgel.

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tehwebguy 6y ago
There are plenty of financial motivations to labor other than the threat of shame, lack of healthcare, homelessness & starvation. There are even plenty of non-financial motivations to labor!
trashman100 6y ago
Why not just stop all immigration and tighten and enforce anti corruption laws and close loop holes that allow the 1% and multinational corporations to cheat the system. Immigration is a big part of the growth economic Ponzi scheme. It's not sustainable and it has been horrible for the environment. It also keeps business running profitably. We have a growing homeless problem. We have racial ghettos. We have Indian reservation. We have an entire manufacturing belt that has been gutted. We have a growing problem of deaths of despair, including suicide and drug addiction. Instead of casually replacing these people with immigrants and allowing the wealthiest 1% to pay little to no taxes and allow companies like Apple and probably all the big tech companies to play offshore tax games, why not help America keep jobs here and increase the pay for those jobs? This whole growth economics and emotionally manipulating people into accepting immigrants "to do the jobs Americans don't want to do" is one of the most horrific lies I have become aware of. There is no job an American won't do at the right (fair) price. The economy will not crumble if business has no choice but to take less profits and pay better wages. Nothing will change until the incentive structure changes. I don't see anyone talking much about these things. I see monied interests pushing mass propaganda in order to ultimately keep wages low and keep income gains from increases in productivity going to the top. Not everyone should or can program. I would rather live in a world where my COL increases if that means that the people around me, city workers, grocery baggers, etc. are payed better. I'm not even sure my COL would increase. I think through above mentioned changes to incentive structures money can be redirected in a more egalitarian way with very little downside.

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tehwebguy 6y ago

There are plenty of financial motivations to labor other than the threat of shame, lack of healthcare, homelessness & starvation. There are even plenty of non-financial motivations to labor!

trashman100 6y ago

Why not just stop all immigration and tighten and enforce anti corruption laws and close loop holes that allow the 1% and multinational corporations to cheat the system. Immigration is a big part of the growth economic Ponzi scheme. It's not sustainable and it has been horrible for the environment. It also keeps business running profitably. We have a growing homeless problem. We have racial ghettos. We have Indian reservation. We have an entire manufacturing belt that has been gutted. We have a growing problem of deaths of despair, including suicide and drug addiction. Instead of casually replacing these people with immigrants and allowing the wealthiest 1% to pay little to no taxes and allow companies like Apple and probably all the big tech companies to play offshore tax games, why not help America keep jobs here and increase the pay for those jobs? This whole growth economics and emotionally manipulating people into accepting immigrants "to do the jobs Americans don't want to do" is one of the most horrific lies I have become aware of. There is no job an American won't do at the right (fair) price. The economy will not crumble if business has no choice but to take less profits and pay better wages. Nothing will change until the incentive structure changes. I don't see anyone talking much about these things. I see monied interests pushing mass propaganda in order to ultimately keep wages low and keep income gains from increases in productivity going to the top. Not everyone should or can program. I would rather live in a world where my COL increases if that means that the people around me, city workers, grocery baggers, etc. are payed better. I'm not even sure my COL would increase. I think through above mentioned changes to incentive structures money can be redirected in a more egalitarian way with very little downside.