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Keep up the experiment, California. Middle America is excited to see the results in 20 years.

by happyjack 6y ago

throwaway0a5e 6y ago
The results are gonna move in next year when the little old lady down the street croaks and her house goes up for sale.
- happyjack 6y ago
  I'm not sure I follow :D besides the sarcasm ... all I know is that this insanity is not sustainable.
  - throwaway0a5e 6y ago
    The demographics that drilled all the holes in the ship are also the first people off the sinking ship. Look at the further out suburbs of Austin, Denver, Boulder and Boise if you want to see this effect in various stages of its progression. You're not gonna have to wait 20yr to see CA crash and burn from afar. The root cause is going to set up shop and start doing its thing closer to (your) home and it will do so on a much shorter timeline.
    - happyjack 6y ago
      Oh I know ... it's scary. I live in the west and have seen first hand what it's done to Denver / Boulder / Boise. I really liked your analogy, too. "Let's screw things up and see what happens. No worries I have unicorn stock and can move to somewhere better and bring my wreck with me." I read a comment one time that said "Denver used to be the Kansas City of the West, now it's the SF." It saddens me how true that is now.
      - jaywalk 6y ago
        It's more like "Wow, this place with all of the policies that I supported and voted for has turned into a dump! I need to get out of here, but I need to make sure that I can get all of my policies implemented in the new place as well!"
        happyjack 6y ago
        Spot on!
        leetcrew 6y ago
        more likely "this place has turned into a dump, despite implementing all the policies I supported and voted for! I need to move somewhere else that still has a chance and lobby even harder!"
    - happyjack 6y ago
      Now that I re-read what I said first, I'm saddened. At first it's a "haha you dumbasses have fun with your own wreckage." Then you realize it's coming to your neighborhood!
inglor_cz 6y ago
The trouble is that people flee California, but carry the basic ideas with them elsewhere. It is not that different from Covid.
- kodah 6y ago
  This isn't really true. I've lived in Texas most of my life and only live in California now. There are extremists, such as the woke-class of progressives, that probably will not change their minds about anything. The same probably goes for the alt-right and QAnon class of Trumpists. The only way for these kinds of people to change their minds is some event or accountability to be had. The main body of California residents are pretty cool, free loving, hard working, and probably have a lot more in common with you than they'd let on if they knew you were different. If you talk about ideas without using labels (Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Liberal, Conservative) then their ears and minds are usually open. I observed the same thing with devout conservatives in Texas. People adapt to the culture that surrounds them and unfortunately the culture in hyper liberal cities has hit rock bottom.

Keep up the experiment, California. Middle America is excited to see the results in 20 years.

throwaway0a5e 6y ago

The results are gonna move in next year when the little old lady down the street croaks and her house goes up for sale.

happyjack 6y ago
I'm not sure I follow :D besides the sarcasm ... all I know is that this insanity is not sustainable.
- throwaway0a5e 6y ago
  The demographics that drilled all the holes in the ship are also the first people off the sinking ship. Look at the further out suburbs of Austin, Denver, Boulder and Boise if you want to see this effect in various stages of its progression. You're not gonna have to wait 20yr to see CA crash and burn from afar. The root cause is going to set up shop and start doing its thing closer to (your) home and it will do so on a much shorter timeline.
  - happyjack 6y ago
    Oh I know ... it's scary. I live in the west and have seen first hand what it's done to Denver / Boulder / Boise. I really liked your analogy, too. "Let's screw things up and see what happens. No worries I have unicorn stock and can move to somewhere better and bring my wreck with me." I read a comment one time that said "Denver used to be the Kansas City of the West, now it's the SF." It saddens me how true that is now.
    - jaywalk 6y ago
      It's more like "Wow, this place with all of the policies that I supported and voted for has turned into a dump! I need to get out of here, but I need to make sure that I can get all of my policies implemented in the new place as well!"
      - happyjack 6y ago
        Spot on!
      - leetcrew 6y ago
        more likely "this place has turned into a dump, despite implementing all the policies I supported and voted for! I need to move somewhere else that still has a chance and lobby even harder!"
  - happyjack 6y ago
    Now that I re-read what I said first, I'm saddened. At first it's a "haha you dumbasses have fun with your own wreckage." Then you realize it's coming to your neighborhood!

inglor_cz 6y ago

The trouble is that people flee California, but carry the basic ideas with them elsewhere. It is not that different from Covid.

kodah 6y ago
This isn't really true. I've lived in Texas most of my life and only live in California now. There are extremists, such as the woke-class of progressives, that probably will not change their minds about anything. The same probably goes for the alt-right and QAnon class of Trumpists. The only way for these kinds of people to change their minds is some event or accountability to be had. The main body of California residents are pretty cool, free loving, hard working, and probably have a lot more in common with you than they'd let on if they knew you were different. If you talk about ideas without using labels (Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Liberal, Conservative) then their ears and minds are usually open. I observed the same thing with devout conservatives in Texas. People adapt to the culture that surrounds them and unfortunately the culture in hyper liberal cities has hit rock bottom.