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Is the issue multiple players or is it teams? I didn't have any problem implementing ELO for multiple players in games where there can be multiple losers but on

by uxp100 6y ago

Is the issue multiple players or is it teams? I didn't have any problem implementing ELO for multiple players in games where there can be multiple losers but one winner. I modeled it as simultaneous wins for the winner, with a K-factor divided by the number of players. But I wasn't concerned with being mathematically rigourus, maybe there is some glitch with this approach? It was for an EDH group. (BTW, don't do this. We no longer play EDH. It makes the spiky players even spikier, and then they get saltier when they're targeted as they have a far higher ELO)

leetcrew 6y ago
I think the issue is that, outside of formal tournaments, there are rarely stable teams competing against each other in typical online multiplayer. each team is a random assortment of players, where anywhere from zero to a full team are queuing together. people might queue with a friend of a very different skill level. you need to track the skill level of each individual player and then estimate the win probability for a team of players who may never have played with each other before. I play a lot of csgo, and while far from perfect, I'm surprised how good the matchmaking is. I win pretty close to 50% of my matches.
reificator 6y ago
> It was for an EDH group. (BTW, don't do this. We no longer play EDH. It makes the spiky players even spikier, and then they get saltier when they're targeted as they have a far higher ELO) Yes please keep tournaments and rankings away from EDH for the love of god. CEDH is a different story because it's a completely different mindset, but if I sat down for normal EDH and was told we were tracking Elo I'd run far, far away.
- uxp100 6y ago
  It was mainly to track strength of different decks we all played, since you could check ELO of either. It was the strongest player who was upset by it, since once people realized he won 50% of 3 and 4 player games he was always targeted. But yeah, I wouldn't do it again.

by uxp100 6y ago

leetcrew 6y ago

I think the issue is that, outside of formal tournaments, there are rarely stable teams competing against each other in typical online multiplayer. each team is a random assortment of players, where anywhere from zero to a full team are queuing together. people might queue with a friend of a very different skill level. you need to track the skill level of each individual player and then estimate the win probability for a team of players who may never have played with each other before. I play a lot of csgo, and while far from perfect, I'm surprised how good the matchmaking is. I win pretty close to 50% of my matches.

reificator 6y ago

> It was for an EDH group. (BTW, don't do this. We no longer play EDH. It makes the spiky players even spikier, and then they get saltier when they're targeted as they have a far higher ELO) Yes please keep tournaments and rankings away from EDH for the love of god. CEDH is a different story because it's a completely different mindset, but if I sat down for normal EDH and was told we were tracking Elo I'd run far, far away.

uxp100 6y ago
It was mainly to track strength of different decks we all played, since you could check ELO of either. It was the strongest player who was upset by it, since once people realized he won 50% of 3 and 4 player games he was always targeted. But yeah, I wouldn't do it again.