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My employer expects me to keep my music quiet (preferably confined to my ears only) when I am at the office. At home I can play it loud enough that the neighbo

My employer expects me to keep my music quiet (preferably confined to my ears only) when I am at the office. At home I can play it loud enough that the neighbors can hear it, and that's okay. I'm fine with professional officers being held to different standards when they are on duty.

mc32 6y ago
What about a job site? Can they play loudly if the company or the foreman or forewoman allows it? Is it unprofessional if they play it loudly?
- monocasa 6y ago
  A jobsite has different and looser standards of professional conduct than what the police should be generally held to, yes.
  - mc32 6y ago
    I don’t think the cruiser is subject to your elevated standards. This is a classic case of double standards. We want one set of standards god people we agree with and another set of standards for people we disagree with. To avoid this, we institute a standard across the board for everyone, like them or dislike them.
    - monocasa 6y ago
      Your entire premise was on what could be heard outside the cruiser. And yes, it's fundamentally OK to hold police to a higher standard than the general public, including literal children. I'm not sure why this is in question.
andrewflnr 6y ago
As a potential neighbor: no, it's not ok. If I can hear your music, you are intruding in my space. I need at least one place on the planet where I can get some actual quiet without earplugs.
- rootusrootus 6y ago
  I hear my neighbors all the time. They start up their cars, play basketball in the street, play music in their garage workshop, etc. There are myriad sounds that happen all day long when you live around other people. If you require silence then you choose not to live in a community.
  - andrewflnr 6y ago
    Just because some noises are unavoidable doesn't make it less inconsiderate to knowingly inflict them on people. Music in particular has relatively long duration, is by nature harder to ignore than many of the incidental noises you mentioned, and is easily contained in headphones. Your last sentence is a common fallacy: just because I pick a certain set of annoyances on a scale of trade-offs (in this case, the scale of living in an apartment to living in the wilderness) doesn't mean I am required to unquestioningly soak up all those annoyances. If that's your logic, you could never speak up about any problem you could in principle escape from, even if that escape would result in bigger problems. This "leave if you don't like it" approach to criticism, where leaving is very expensive and especially where the solution is very cheap, is also not ok (as it more obviously would not be ok in a political context). I'm not asking for a lot. Just use headphones.

mc32 6y ago

What about a job site? Can they play loudly if the company or the foreman or forewoman allows it? Is it unprofessional if they play it loudly?

monocasa 6y ago
A jobsite has different and looser standards of professional conduct than what the police should be generally held to, yes.
- mc32 6y ago
  I don’t think the cruiser is subject to your elevated standards. This is a classic case of double standards. We want one set of standards god people we agree with and another set of standards for people we disagree with. To avoid this, we institute a standard across the board for everyone, like them or dislike them.
  - monocasa 6y ago
    Your entire premise was on what could be heard outside the cruiser. And yes, it's fundamentally OK to hold police to a higher standard than the general public, including literal children. I'm not sure why this is in question.

andrewflnr 6y ago

As a potential neighbor: no, it's not ok. If I can hear your music, you are intruding in my space. I need at least one place on the planet where I can get some actual quiet without earplugs.

rootusrootus 6y ago
I hear my neighbors all the time. They start up their cars, play basketball in the street, play music in their garage workshop, etc. There are myriad sounds that happen all day long when you live around other people. If you require silence then you choose not to live in a community.
- andrewflnr 6y ago
  Just because some noises are unavoidable doesn't make it less inconsiderate to knowingly inflict them on people. Music in particular has relatively long duration, is by nature harder to ignore than many of the incidental noises you mentioned, and is easily contained in headphones. Your last sentence is a common fallacy: just because I pick a certain set of annoyances on a scale of trade-offs (in this case, the scale of living in an apartment to living in the wilderness) doesn't mean I am required to unquestioningly soak up all those annoyances. If that's your logic, you could never speak up about any problem you could in principle escape from, even if that escape would result in bigger problems. This "leave if you don't like it" approach to criticism, where leaving is very expensive and especially where the solution is very cheap, is also not ok (as it more obviously would not be ok in a political context). I'm not asking for a lot. Just use headphones.