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I think the point was to note that shutting down manufacturing us no longer a useful way to prevent firearms from being made. They don't need to be 3D printed

I think the point was to note that shutting down manufacturing us no longer a useful way to prevent firearms from being made. They don't need to be 3D printed right now because there are factories. If all the factories shut down tomorrow, that wouldn't stop new guns from being produced.

minikites 6y ago
Might as well not have any laws or regulations ever, then.
- HideousKojima 6y ago
  Or you could simply add additional penalties for commiting actual violent crimes with weapons, which we already do. See, for example, strongarm robbery vs armed robbery. That way criminals are punished for misuse of firearms while law abiding owners don't have their rights infringed.
  - sofixa 6y ago
    And how is that working out? Last time i checked, the US was leading in violent crime, death and suicide by guns, mass shootings, etc. among developed nations, by a lot.
    - HideousKojima 6y ago
      Why does it matter if someone is murdered by a gun vs. cut into cubes by a cartel or brained with a hammer or anything else? If you don't limit it to murders and suicides by guns, your claim is flatly untrue. Japan's suicide rate is greater than the US's murders and suicides combined. Russia has far more murders despite having fairly restrictive gun laws. In any case, the US is inherently more violent and criminal than other nations in general independent of guns. It also has extremely violent subpopulations centered in major urban centers that tilt the numbers significantly. Outside of a few specific cities like Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, etc. the US is extremely peaceful and low in crime.
      - leesalminen 6y ago
        Don’t forget about acid attacks which from what I understand are far more prevalent in the UK than the US.
- kbenson 6y ago
  I'm not sure what this has has to do with what I said. To me it appears to be a non-sequitur, so I suspect either I and completely missing what you're trying to express, or you misunderstood what I was.
einpoklum 6y ago
> I think the point was to note that shutting down manufacturing us no longer a useful way to prevent firearms from being made. And I'm saying that's incorrect. It's not wrong in the binary sense of "no firearms made" vs "some firearms made", but rather in the sense that if the mass-production output were to drop significantly, prevalence and use would also drop significantly (although this would be mitigated by there being a huge stock of existing guns). And just to clarify - I'm not saying that this is the way to "solve the gun problem" in the US though.
- kbenson 6y ago
  > if the mass-production output were to drop significantly, prevalence and use would also drop significantly I'm not sure that can be assumed anymore. The 3D printer market has been absolutely exploding. I and my siblings got one as a present from my father for Christmas in 2020. Some reports[1]state there was a 68% increase globally in personal desktop 3D printer units in 2020, and that's after there were manufacturing problems to overcome. If if shutting a factory today might suppress supply slightly in the future, I suspect that within 5-10 years the point will be mostly moot. 1: https://www.tctmagazine.com/additive-manufacturing-3d-printing-news/desktop-3d-printer-shipments-surge-market-recovers-covid-19/ https://www.tctmagazine.com/additive-manufacturing-3d-printi...

minikites 6y ago

Might as well not have any laws or regulations ever, then.

HideousKojima 6y ago
Or you could simply add additional penalties for commiting actual violent crimes with weapons, which we already do. See, for example, strongarm robbery vs armed robbery. That way criminals are punished for misuse of firearms while law abiding owners don't have their rights infringed.
- sofixa 6y ago
  And how is that working out? Last time i checked, the US was leading in violent crime, death and suicide by guns, mass shootings, etc. among developed nations, by a lot.
  - HideousKojima 6y ago
    Why does it matter if someone is murdered by a gun vs. cut into cubes by a cartel or brained with a hammer or anything else? If you don't limit it to murders and suicides by guns, your claim is flatly untrue. Japan's suicide rate is greater than the US's murders and suicides combined. Russia has far more murders despite having fairly restrictive gun laws. In any case, the US is inherently more violent and criminal than other nations in general independent of guns. It also has extremely violent subpopulations centered in major urban centers that tilt the numbers significantly. Outside of a few specific cities like Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, etc. the US is extremely peaceful and low in crime.
    - leesalminen 6y ago
      Don’t forget about acid attacks which from what I understand are far more prevalent in the UK than the US.
kbenson 6y ago
I'm not sure what this has has to do with what I said. To me it appears to be a non-sequitur, so I suspect either I and completely missing what you're trying to express, or you misunderstood what I was.

einpoklum 6y ago

> I think the point was to note that shutting down manufacturing us no longer a useful way to prevent firearms from being made. And I'm saying that's incorrect. It's not wrong in the binary sense of "no firearms made" vs "some firearms made", but rather in the sense that if the mass-production output were to drop significantly, prevalence and use would also drop significantly (although this would be mitigated by there being a huge stock of existing guns). And just to clarify - I'm not saying that this is the way to "solve the gun problem" in the US though.

kbenson 6y ago
> if the mass-production output were to drop significantly, prevalence and use would also drop significantly I'm not sure that can be assumed anymore. The 3D printer market has been absolutely exploding. I and my siblings got one as a present from my father for Christmas in 2020. Some reports[1]state there was a 68% increase globally in personal desktop 3D printer units in 2020, and that's after there were manufacturing problems to overcome. If if shutting a factory today might suppress supply slightly in the future, I suspect that within 5-10 years the point will be mostly moot. 1: https://www.tctmagazine.com/additive-manufacturing-3d-printing-news/desktop-3d-printer-shipments-surge-market-recovers-covid-19/ https://www.tctmagazine.com/additive-manufacturing-3d-printi...