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That's clearly not the kind of research that's going to be done. Funding of gun studies means we can make arguments backed up by data instead of partisan bicke

That's clearly not the kind of research that's going to be done. Funding of gun studies means we can make arguments backed up by data instead of partisan bickering. Calls to arm teachers in classrooms or mandate trigger locks on guns have real world effects, and both sides think they're right about it. Funding for studies of specific actions and policies help us as a society make more informed decisions. More info: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5993411/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5993411/

da_big_ghey 6y ago
You will find that many of us gun rights supporters don't care what data comes out. I don't support 2a because fewer than n people die per year from guns.
- wing-_-nuts 6y ago
  Your honesty is refreshing, and psychopathic.
  - da_big_ghey 6y ago
    > psychopathic That is a needless personal attack, and I notice that you fail to make a coherent argument against what I said. Do you favor protections against unreasonable search and seizure only until too many criminals benefit from it? My point is that some people value liberty higher than life. If you think I'm wrong, feel free to say why, though I honestly don't know that you'll change my mind on that.
    - 1MoreThing 6y ago
      > Psychopathy is a condition characterized by the absence of empathy and the blunting of other affective states. Callousness, detachment, and a lack of empathy... That doesn't seem like a personal attack so much as pointing out that this belief lacks empathy and is callous, which I tend to agree with. The standard argument, which I'm sure you're aware of, is that some controls and regulations on the ownership of firearms is a net good for society by reducing accidental deaths, suicides, and murders. Guns aren't responsible for any of those things, people are. But guns dramatically change the scale at which they happen. Ignoring that because of a belief in absolute freedom from regulation for machines designed to kill is callous and un-empathic. Or, to use a synonym, psychopathic. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/psychopathy https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/psychopathy
      - nickthemagicman 6y ago
        So the millions of men who sacrificed their own lives to defend this principle of liberty psychopaths? Being principled and having higher ideals is not callous. It's the most noble thing a person can do. The fact that people view it this way is very bad sign for how selfish and callous Americans have become.
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        > Being principled and having higher ideals is not callous. It's the most noble thing a person can do. Having ideals is exactly noble, or ignoble, as the ideals. There is nothing noble about devotion to ideas independent of the ideas one is devoted to. “A world free of Jews” is an ideal people have been devoted to. People who were more devoted to that idea and willing to sacrifice more for it are not more noble than those less devoted by reason of their devotion.
        nickthemagicman 6y ago
        That's a straw man. At the macro level causes may be unjust sure. But at the micro or individual level...sacrificing onesself for higher ideals/principles is the least psychopathic thing one can do ..one makes the ultimate sacrifice for what they believe is the betterment of OTHERS. People may be misguided and some causes unjust, but they sacrificed themself for an ideal that they believe in. It's the opposite of psychopathy. Everything that you are and have is due to the sacrifices of many millions of people for principles they believed in. It's a shame modern society has become so ungrateful,materialistic, and distant from what so many people have sacrificed so much for.
    - Spooky23 6y ago
      That's not cool, it's not psychopathic to hold a different principle. IMO, this is similar to things like unreasonable search and seizure, where there is a robust set of laws, regulation and court judgements to guide government activity. Until relatively recently, the notion of having a well regulated environment in this area was broadly accepted. But... many of the pro-gun-sales crowd peddles in doom in the name of selling stuff.
  - nickthemagicman 6y ago
    Some people value principles higher than human life and that is noble not psychopathic. Millions of men died for their principles so you could sit here, and call having principles psychopathic. Are the millions of men who purposefully sacrificed their own lives for this idea we call liberty psychopaths? Modern Liberty is an anomaly in human history where the rule has been repression and subjugation for millenia. People forget so easily. The decisions we make when we're comfortable will comeback to haunt us when things get uncomfortable. Also, I'm flagging you for blatant personal attacks which violates like every HN guideline. Without a coherent argument it's just an emotional attack. You need to think about how unaware you are and maybe get some principles yourself. Please keep the personal attacks to yourself and discuss ideas.
    - wing-_-nuts 6y ago
      Flag away, it's a free country. I don't think it's a personal attack to call a sentiment psychopathic that values one's unfettered freedoms to be more valuable than human life.
      - nickthemagicman 6y ago
        See calling a SENTIMENT psychopathic is more coherent than calling a person (a human being) psychopathic. The world is bigger than your views/ideas about it. And you may be wrong. Please focus on the ideas from here on out instead of people. Your ideas may be incorrect.
  - dang 6y ago
    Personal attacks will get you banned here. Please don't post flamebait and/or unsubstantive comments either. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

da_big_ghey 6y ago

You will find that many of us gun rights supporters don't care what data comes out. I don't support 2a because fewer than n people die per year from guns.

wing-_-nuts 6y ago
Your honesty is refreshing, and psychopathic.
- da_big_ghey 6y ago
  > psychopathic That is a needless personal attack, and I notice that you fail to make a coherent argument against what I said. Do you favor protections against unreasonable search and seizure only until too many criminals benefit from it? My point is that some people value liberty higher than life. If you think I'm wrong, feel free to say why, though I honestly don't know that you'll change my mind on that.
  - 1MoreThing 6y ago
    > Psychopathy is a condition characterized by the absence of empathy and the blunting of other affective states. Callousness, detachment, and a lack of empathy... That doesn't seem like a personal attack so much as pointing out that this belief lacks empathy and is callous, which I tend to agree with. The standard argument, which I'm sure you're aware of, is that some controls and regulations on the ownership of firearms is a net good for society by reducing accidental deaths, suicides, and murders. Guns aren't responsible for any of those things, people are. But guns dramatically change the scale at which they happen. Ignoring that because of a belief in absolute freedom from regulation for machines designed to kill is callous and un-empathic. Or, to use a synonym, psychopathic. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/psychopathy https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/psychopathy
    - nickthemagicman 6y ago
      So the millions of men who sacrificed their own lives to defend this principle of liberty psychopaths? Being principled and having higher ideals is not callous. It's the most noble thing a person can do. The fact that people view it this way is very bad sign for how selfish and callous Americans have become.
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        > Being principled and having higher ideals is not callous. It's the most noble thing a person can do. Having ideals is exactly noble, or ignoble, as the ideals. There is nothing noble about devotion to ideas independent of the ideas one is devoted to. “A world free of Jews” is an ideal people have been devoted to. People who were more devoted to that idea and willing to sacrifice more for it are not more noble than those less devoted by reason of their devotion.
        nickthemagicman 6y ago
        That's a straw man. At the macro level causes may be unjust sure. But at the micro or individual level...sacrificing onesself for higher ideals/principles is the least psychopathic thing one can do ..one makes the ultimate sacrifice for what they believe is the betterment of OTHERS. People may be misguided and some causes unjust, but they sacrificed themself for an ideal that they believe in. It's the opposite of psychopathy. Everything that you are and have is due to the sacrifices of many millions of people for principles they believed in. It's a shame modern society has become so ungrateful,materialistic, and distant from what so many people have sacrificed so much for.
  - Spooky23 6y ago
    That's not cool, it's not psychopathic to hold a different principle. IMO, this is similar to things like unreasonable search and seizure, where there is a robust set of laws, regulation and court judgements to guide government activity. Until relatively recently, the notion of having a well regulated environment in this area was broadly accepted. But... many of the pro-gun-sales crowd peddles in doom in the name of selling stuff.
- nickthemagicman 6y ago
  Some people value principles higher than human life and that is noble not psychopathic. Millions of men died for their principles so you could sit here, and call having principles psychopathic. Are the millions of men who purposefully sacrificed their own lives for this idea we call liberty psychopaths? Modern Liberty is an anomaly in human history where the rule has been repression and subjugation for millenia. People forget so easily. The decisions we make when we're comfortable will comeback to haunt us when things get uncomfortable. Also, I'm flagging you for blatant personal attacks which violates like every HN guideline. Without a coherent argument it's just an emotional attack. You need to think about how unaware you are and maybe get some principles yourself. Please keep the personal attacks to yourself and discuss ideas.
  - wing-_-nuts 6y ago
    Flag away, it's a free country. I don't think it's a personal attack to call a sentiment psychopathic that values one's unfettered freedoms to be more valuable than human life.
    - nickthemagicman 6y ago
      See calling a SENTIMENT psychopathic is more coherent than calling a person (a human being) psychopathic. The world is bigger than your views/ideas about it. And you may be wrong. Please focus on the ideas from here on out instead of people. Your ideas may be incorrect.
- dang 6y ago
  Personal attacks will get you banned here. Please don't post flamebait and/or unsubstantive comments either. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html