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Umm I've worked in high growth companies where there's almost always more opportunities than the ability to capitalise and I would work out a deal in advance to

Umm I've worked in high growth companies where there's almost always more opportunities than the ability to capitalise and I would work out a deal in advance to pull off things most people weren't able or willing to - the total revenue increased and so did my compensation - there was always money preallocated for growth opportunities. The only time I saw the "fixed pie" mentality is on my first job in newspapers back in the early 2000s right at their collapse to the internet.

BoorishBears 6y ago
Your comment has so many words that don't really say anything... Honestly your first paragraph just sounds like you work at companies that can't afford the talent they want on an ongoing basis... so they're willing to pay extra conditionally for when they need current talent to step up to the level they're looking for. That's a hell of a deal for the company (especially a growing one!) and as you can see it does wonders for retention since giving everyone a carrot isn't as appreciated as hiding the carrot behind your back until they "earn it through exceptional work". The latter approach also really plays egos... and ego is what gets a 10 gallons of work out of a 9 gallon bag. - Maybe early in my career I would have been on with that? But yeah, if a place is only going to pay me what I'm worth contingent on finding specific opportunities to negotiate it why would I take that? Instead I can go to a place that understands I can do things others can't, hires me for that reason, and pays me accordingly by default? - That's not a "fixed pie" mentality either, it's a "fixed self-worth" mentality. Also known by the moniker of "f*ck you, pay me" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jVkLVRt6c1U https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jVkLVRt6c1U My worth is not contingent on business is going. My worth is not contingent on if the deal fell through. My worth is not contingent on how much revenue this project is going to make. I'm not going to get shorted on pay compared to the guy working on a project for a sales deal just because I'm working on the boring maintenance parts that will come afterwards and that's not as sexy or the optics aren't as bright. I'm worth what I'm worth, and if they can't pay it they can't have me. In other words "f*ck you, pay me". The pie is irrelevant.

BoorishBears 6y ago

Your comment has so many words that don't really say anything... Honestly your first paragraph just sounds like you work at companies that can't afford the talent they want on an ongoing basis... so they're willing to pay extra conditionally for when they need current talent to step up to the level they're looking for. That's a hell of a deal for the company (especially a growing one!) and as you can see it does wonders for retention since giving everyone a carrot isn't as appreciated as hiding the carrot behind your back until they "earn it through exceptional work". The latter approach also really plays egos... and ego is what gets a 10 gallons of work out of a 9 gallon bag. - Maybe early in my career I would have been on with that? But yeah, if a place is only going to pay me what I'm worth contingent on finding specific opportunities to negotiate it why would I take that? Instead I can go to a place that understands I can do things others can't, hires me for that reason, and pays me accordingly by default? - That's not a "fixed pie" mentality either, it's a "fixed self-worth" mentality. Also known by the moniker of "f*ck you, pay me" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jVkLVRt6c1U https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jVkLVRt6c1U My worth is not contingent on business is going. My worth is not contingent on if the deal fell through. My worth is not contingent on how much revenue this project is going to make. I'm not going to get shorted on pay compared to the guy working on a project for a sales deal just because I'm working on the boring maintenance parts that will come afterwards and that's not as sexy or the optics aren't as bright. I'm worth what I'm worth, and if they can't pay it they can't have me. In other words "f*ck you, pay me". The pie is irrelevant.