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I don't even use Azure or LinkedIn. But I'm extremely not interested in continuing a conversation with someone who is being deliberately ignorant and difficult.

I don't even use Azure or LinkedIn. But I'm extremely not interested in continuing a conversation with someone who is being deliberately ignorant and difficult. If your attitude is "consumers are not allowed to complain about any shitty marketing practice if I don't like the company involved" then congratulations, you are sooooo superior.

nonotreally 6y ago
I dunno man. I'm struggling to see how this is catching anyone by surprise. I'm not endorsing more ad spam, but I'm really caught off guard that using a service with a real name/email and getting added to a CRM is generating this level of indignation. Do none of you guys work in corporate? I get Linkedin/email/phone spam all the time. This isn't new. The only interesting thing here is that the trigger and the response time were so short. Again, I'm not advocating for more of this or even saying I like it. I'm just saying "why are we all of a sudden upset about this?"
theossuary 6y ago
I'm on board with the above poster, and you dismissing what they're saying as "deliberately ignorant" because it doesn't jive with your world view is a sad tactic to use when discussing something. As somebody who's listed products on the AWS marketplace, when you "subscribe" to a product you give them your information as due course. This is obvious, spelled out, and known across all the marketplaces. So I'll assume the part you take issue is, is with reaching out to the individual on LinkedIn instead of through Azure. I don't understand how in a world where companies cold call you after buying your phone number, and spam you with emails after you try to unsubscribe, suddenly messaging you on LinkedIn is over the line. It's strange, and I'm glad they're moving away from the practice, but to pretend it's this big privacy fiasco is disingenuous at best. They (Canonical) still have all your data, they're just being more subtle about it now. How is that better?
- lostdog 6y ago
  This is the first time I've heard about subscribing being a privacy violation, so no, this is not "obvious."
  - theossuary 6y ago
    This isn't a big hard to read document: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/support/legal/marketplace-terms/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/support/legal/marketplace-... 3a spells out what you're agreeing to share with the publisher of the product in the marketplace when you subscribe to it. Additionally the listings each link to their respective privacy policy right underneath the subscribe button, plainly in view above the fold. Finally, I've just attempted to subscribe to "Ubuntu Server" in the Azure Marketplace to see what it looks like, and it shows you a form with the information it's going to share with Ubuntu on the screen for you to modify before subscribing! So it seems like you arguing this isn't "obvious" is in bad faith, because it's obvious for any reasonable person who's actually used the marketplace.

nonotreally 6y ago

I dunno man. I'm struggling to see how this is catching anyone by surprise. I'm not endorsing more ad spam, but I'm really caught off guard that using a service with a real name/email and getting added to a CRM is generating this level of indignation. Do none of you guys work in corporate? I get Linkedin/email/phone spam all the time. This isn't new. The only interesting thing here is that the trigger and the response time were so short. Again, I'm not advocating for more of this or even saying I like it. I'm just saying "why are we all of a sudden upset about this?"

theossuary 6y ago

I'm on board with the above poster, and you dismissing what they're saying as "deliberately ignorant" because it doesn't jive with your world view is a sad tactic to use when discussing something. As somebody who's listed products on the AWS marketplace, when you "subscribe" to a product you give them your information as due course. This is obvious, spelled out, and known across all the marketplaces. So I'll assume the part you take issue is, is with reaching out to the individual on LinkedIn instead of through Azure. I don't understand how in a world where companies cold call you after buying your phone number, and spam you with emails after you try to unsubscribe, suddenly messaging you on LinkedIn is over the line. It's strange, and I'm glad they're moving away from the practice, but to pretend it's this big privacy fiasco is disingenuous at best. They (Canonical) still have all your data, they're just being more subtle about it now. How is that better?

lostdog 6y ago
This is the first time I've heard about subscribing being a privacy violation, so no, this is not "obvious."
- theossuary 6y ago
  This isn't a big hard to read document: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/support/legal/marketplace-terms/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/support/legal/marketplace-... 3a spells out what you're agreeing to share with the publisher of the product in the marketplace when you subscribe to it. Additionally the listings each link to their respective privacy policy right underneath the subscribe button, plainly in view above the fold. Finally, I've just attempted to subscribe to "Ubuntu Server" in the Azure Marketplace to see what it looks like, and it shows you a form with the information it's going to share with Ubuntu on the screen for you to modify before subscribing! So it seems like you arguing this isn't "obvious" is in bad faith, because it's obvious for any reasonable person who's actually used the marketplace.