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> But Ubuntu as a binary image (or source code) is a very different product than a VM with Ubuntu pre-installed. How? Why? If it's different in any meaningful

> But Ubuntu as a binary image (or source code) is a very different product than a VM with Ubuntu pre-installed. How? Why? If it's different in any meaningful way from just clicking "next" on the installer then it's no longer Ubuntu, and certainly not Canonical Ubuntu, that's pre-installed. It's become, at best, Microsoft-Ubuntu-Because-Microsoft-Added-Telemetry-For-Azure. Or it's Canoncical-Ubuntu-Configured-By-Microsoft-With-Azure-CLI-Preinstalled. It's not "Ubuntu" any more.

hannasanarion 6y ago
You don't get to decide what is and isn't "Ubuntu", Canonical does. Did you likewise declare that Ubuntu isn't Ubuntu anymore when Canonical dropped Unity? or when they added snap? Or when they added or later removed the Amazon search plugin? When I'm paying for an official Azure version of Ubuntu on Azure, I darn well expect there will be a closer support relationship than the free desktop version.
- saghm 6y ago
  > When I'm paying for an official Azure version of Ubuntu on Azure, I darn well expect there will be a closer support relationship than the free desktop version. Okay, but maybe other people don't want that if it entails their information being shared with a company they haven't initiated a business relationship with?
  - hannasanarion 6y ago
    > Using their software on professionally hosted servers > haven't initiated a business relationship ????
    - saghm 6y ago
      The servers are not hosted by Canonical
      - hannasanarion 6y ago
        But the servers are running Canonical software. Just because it's GPL'd doesn't mean that Canonical doesn't own it or that you have no relationship with them by using it. You are paying them a license fee to get the azure image, after all. To say that you have no business relationship with Canonical while paying Canonical to use Canonical software with official Canonical technical support is absurd to the highest degree.
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- ojnabieoot 6y ago
  Just FYI, this is bad manners. I deleted the comment because I didn't want to continue the conversation and I especially didn't want to engage with you - specifically, your comments here and elsewhere indicate that you are frequently toxic and hostile. You deciding to resurrect the comment because you happened to see it before I deleted it is really not OK. It's the exact kind of toxic hostile, creepy interaction I was trying to avoid from you by deleting the comment!
  - inetknght 6y ago
    > your comments here and elsewhere indicate that you are frequently toxic and hostile I thought your comment was interesting and merited a reply for others to see and discuss. But I see you disagree so I've removed the content of my reply. Feel free to flag any comments you find particularly toxic or hostile. You can do that by clicking on the timestamp of the comment and clicking the `flag` link. Or even better, let me know (like you have done so here). I can't improve myself if I don't know there's a problem.
    - vntok 6y ago
      There's no problem with your comment so please do not "improve" yourself based on the parent; they should, not you.
  - nitrogen 6y ago
    Erasing history and demanding others follow your lead is bad manners. Posting something and deleting it after it has been seen is basically gaslighting. Imagine the kinds of harassment people could get away with if they said rude things to coworkers on chat, then edited the messages to appear benign after the coworker responded to their hostility. That is why people quote the text of comments to which they want to reply.
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hannasanarion 6y ago

You don't get to decide what is and isn't "Ubuntu", Canonical does. Did you likewise declare that Ubuntu isn't Ubuntu anymore when Canonical dropped Unity? or when they added snap? Or when they added or later removed the Amazon search plugin? When I'm paying for an official Azure version of Ubuntu on Azure, I darn well expect there will be a closer support relationship than the free desktop version.

saghm 6y ago
> When I'm paying for an official Azure version of Ubuntu on Azure, I darn well expect there will be a closer support relationship than the free desktop version. Okay, but maybe other people don't want that if it entails their information being shared with a company they haven't initiated a business relationship with?
- hannasanarion 6y ago
  > Using their software on professionally hosted servers > haven't initiated a business relationship ????
  - saghm 6y ago
    The servers are not hosted by Canonical
    - hannasanarion 6y ago
      But the servers are running Canonical software. Just because it's GPL'd doesn't mean that Canonical doesn't own it or that you have no relationship with them by using it. You are paying them a license fee to get the azure image, after all. To say that you have no business relationship with Canonical while paying Canonical to use Canonical software with official Canonical technical support is absurd to the highest degree.

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ojnabieoot 6y ago
Just FYI, this is bad manners. I deleted the comment because I didn't want to continue the conversation and I especially didn't want to engage with you - specifically, your comments here and elsewhere indicate that you are frequently toxic and hostile. You deciding to resurrect the comment because you happened to see it before I deleted it is really not OK. It's the exact kind of toxic hostile, creepy interaction I was trying to avoid from you by deleting the comment!
- inetknght 6y ago
  > your comments here and elsewhere indicate that you are frequently toxic and hostile I thought your comment was interesting and merited a reply for others to see and discuss. But I see you disagree so I've removed the content of my reply. Feel free to flag any comments you find particularly toxic or hostile. You can do that by clicking on the timestamp of the comment and clicking the `flag` link. Or even better, let me know (like you have done so here). I can't improve myself if I don't know there's a problem.
  - vntok 6y ago
    There's no problem with your comment so please do not "improve" yourself based on the parent; they should, not you.
- nitrogen 6y ago
  Erasing history and demanding others follow your lead is bad manners. Posting something and deleting it after it has been seen is basically gaslighting. Imagine the kinds of harassment people could get away with if they said rude things to coworkers on chat, then edited the messages to appear benign after the coworker responded to their hostility. That is why people quote the text of comments to which they want to reply.
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