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> hunger and fullness are very much genetically determined and that that dictates to a large degree how fat you'll be Do you have any good source on that?

by pier25 6y ago

ClumsyPilot 6y ago
I don't think you should be posing a challange to folks to prove well-known facts that are a single single google search away.
- s1artibartfast 6y ago
  It is far from a well-known fact. IT is clearly disproved by looking at weight across countries and throughout time. The average American male weight has gone from 165 in 1960 to 200lbs in 2020. Obesity has gone from 15% to 45% in the same period. Genetics have not rapidly changed in this time period. https://images.app.goo.gl/YKogsucsMD1DUMKf6 https://images.app.goo.gl/YKogsucsMD1DUMKf6
  - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
    I think you are missing the point, or have not read the relevant research. No-one is claiming revent changes are due to genetics. The claim is: in a given group of a thousand people, eating the same food and having the same execesise, some will be obese and some will not due to genetics. That distribution is very wide, and well studied. Thus, when you encounter a random obese person in the wild you cant conclude this is just because they eat bigmacs all day Lastly, I do dislike comments that pick a random statement from OP and ask "where is the proof" and do not actually engage with the crux of the message. They just sidetrack discourse.
    - s1artibartfast 6y ago
      >The claim is: in a given group of a thousand people, eating the same food and having the same execesise, some will be obese and some will not due to genetics. That distribution is very wide, and well studied. This was not the same claim. Yes, it is well understood that individuals are different. some people have a harder time and some have an easier time, for sure. This does not negate that personal choice plays a much greater role than genetics. OP >> hunger and fullness are very much genetically determined and that that dictates to a large degree how fat you'll be Genentech influences are only significant if you intentionally exclude dietary choice providing the "same food and exercise" to each person. >Thus, when you encounter a random obese person in the wild you cant conclude this is just because they eat bigmacs all day Im not sure when or why I would need to make conclusions about a specific random obese person in the wild. I'm fine with the understanding that 90+% of obesity is personal diet. This is sufficient for talking in generalities about obesity in society. If for some weird reason, I need to do a root cause assessment on a random individual's obesity, yes, this is not sufficient. If I encounter another random obese person in the wild, I have no reason to care if the reason IS their bigmac consumption. It is their life and their choice. Lots of people value food consumption over their weight. Lastly, I totally agree that the genetics was a footnote to the original point, but think there is value in correcting incorrect facts. If someone else wants to engage with the crux of the message, they are still free to do so. What I don't like is when people erroneously claiming that science backs up their position when it doesn't.
      - rebuilder 6y ago
        If a genetic factor leads to increased sensitivity to hunger or feeling hungry more often / being less satiated by food, then isn't that a genetic factor that is likely to directly influence a person's choices vis-à-vis food intake? Note I don't know whether that is the case.
- pier25 6y ago
  Even if I did pose a challenge (I wasn't, I was just curious) it would totally be ok.
FriedrichN 6y ago
I don't have a true scientific source on hand, but the BBC Horizon episode "The Restaurant that Burns Off Calories" goes in a little on how genetics influence eating behaviour amongst other things. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000hjnr https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000hjnr

> hunger and fullness are very much genetically determined and that that dictates to a large degree how fat you'll be Do you have any good source on that?

by pier25 6y ago

> hunger and fullness are very much genetically determined and that that dictates to a large degree how fat you'll be Do you have any good source on that?

ClumsyPilot 6y ago

I don't think you should be posing a challange to folks to prove well-known facts that are a single single google search away.

s1artibartfast 6y ago
It is far from a well-known fact. IT is clearly disproved by looking at weight across countries and throughout time. The average American male weight has gone from 165 in 1960 to 200lbs in 2020. Obesity has gone from 15% to 45% in the same period. Genetics have not rapidly changed in this time period. https://images.app.goo.gl/YKogsucsMD1DUMKf6 https://images.app.goo.gl/YKogsucsMD1DUMKf6
- ClumsyPilot 6y ago
  I think you are missing the point, or have not read the relevant research. No-one is claiming revent changes are due to genetics. The claim is: in a given group of a thousand people, eating the same food and having the same execesise, some will be obese and some will not due to genetics. That distribution is very wide, and well studied. Thus, when you encounter a random obese person in the wild you cant conclude this is just because they eat bigmacs all day Lastly, I do dislike comments that pick a random statement from OP and ask "where is the proof" and do not actually engage with the crux of the message. They just sidetrack discourse.
  - s1artibartfast 6y ago
    >The claim is: in a given group of a thousand people, eating the same food and having the same execesise, some will be obese and some will not due to genetics. That distribution is very wide, and well studied. This was not the same claim. Yes, it is well understood that individuals are different. some people have a harder time and some have an easier time, for sure. This does not negate that personal choice plays a much greater role than genetics. OP >> hunger and fullness are very much genetically determined and that that dictates to a large degree how fat you'll be Genentech influences are only significant if you intentionally exclude dietary choice providing the "same food and exercise" to each person. >Thus, when you encounter a random obese person in the wild you cant conclude this is just because they eat bigmacs all day Im not sure when or why I would need to make conclusions about a specific random obese person in the wild. I'm fine with the understanding that 90+% of obesity is personal diet. This is sufficient for talking in generalities about obesity in society. If for some weird reason, I need to do a root cause assessment on a random individual's obesity, yes, this is not sufficient. If I encounter another random obese person in the wild, I have no reason to care if the reason IS their bigmac consumption. It is their life and their choice. Lots of people value food consumption over their weight. Lastly, I totally agree that the genetics was a footnote to the original point, but think there is value in correcting incorrect facts. If someone else wants to engage with the crux of the message, they are still free to do so. What I don't like is when people erroneously claiming that science backs up their position when it doesn't.
    - rebuilder 6y ago
      If a genetic factor leads to increased sensitivity to hunger or feeling hungry more often / being less satiated by food, then isn't that a genetic factor that is likely to directly influence a person's choices vis-à-vis food intake? Note I don't know whether that is the case.
pier25 6y ago
Even if I did pose a challenge (I wasn't, I was just curious) it would totally be ok.

FriedrichN 6y ago

I don't have a true scientific source on hand, but the BBC Horizon episode "The Restaurant that Burns Off Calories" goes in a little on how genetics influence eating behaviour amongst other things. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000hjnr https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000hjnr