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Android != linux anymore than iOS == BSD. Both have open source kernels but all the stuff that matters on both OS's is closed source. As long as there is money

Android != linux anymore than iOS == BSD. Both have open source kernels but all the stuff that matters on both OS's is closed source. As long as there is money to be made on selling computing devices open source will ALWAYS be at a big enough disadvantage that it can't catch up. Simply because Apple, Google, Microsoft etc.... can take the ideas from open source and build it into it's OS's but Linux can't. I'd personally love if Open Source ruled the consumer market but that's not going to happen.

fsflover 6y ago
I am not speaking about Android. I also did not say "started" but "starting". Here are the GNU/Linux phones with constantly increasing number of sales (but still tiny of course): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PinePhone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PinePhone
- jaegerpicker 6y ago
  I love Open Source but I can't ever see them competing with Apple or Google. Literally billions of devices out in the world tied to services that are critical to everyday live. I think this war is already lost.
  - fsflover 6y ago
    Please stop spreading learned helplessness. I see a lot of people don't like both Apple and Google, so GNU/Linux phones will definitely spread significantly.
    - jaegerpicker 6y ago
      I'm not spreading anything, if you think a lot of people don't like Apple and Google enough to consider linux phones that are objectively less useful then you live in a tech bubble. The VAST majority of people just want their phone to text, show google maps, browse Facebook, and shop Amazon on the apps they know and are used to. It's unlikely in the Extreme that we will see mass migration to Linux. That's not helplessness, I can and have run linux as my main desktop at various times for the last 20 years. It's simply not as good as the commercial alternatives. It's just reality.
      - fsflover 6y ago
        > if you think a lot of people don't like Apple and Google enough to consider linux phones that are objectively less useful I think that Linux phones are going to be very useful very quickly given huge interest of the community and openness of the platform.

fsflover 6y ago

I am not speaking about Android. I also did not say "started" but "starting". Here are the GNU/Linux phones with constantly increasing number of sales (but still tiny of course): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PinePhone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PinePhone

jaegerpicker 6y ago
I love Open Source but I can't ever see them competing with Apple or Google. Literally billions of devices out in the world tied to services that are critical to everyday live. I think this war is already lost.
- fsflover 6y ago
  Please stop spreading learned helplessness. I see a lot of people don't like both Apple and Google, so GNU/Linux phones will definitely spread significantly.
  - jaegerpicker 6y ago
    I'm not spreading anything, if you think a lot of people don't like Apple and Google enough to consider linux phones that are objectively less useful then you live in a tech bubble. The VAST majority of people just want their phone to text, show google maps, browse Facebook, and shop Amazon on the apps they know and are used to. It's unlikely in the Extreme that we will see mass migration to Linux. That's not helplessness, I can and have run linux as my main desktop at various times for the last 20 years. It's simply not as good as the commercial alternatives. It's just reality.
    - fsflover 6y ago
      > if you think a lot of people don't like Apple and Google enough to consider linux phones that are objectively less useful I think that Linux phones are going to be very useful very quickly given huge interest of the community and openness of the platform.