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I want this so much. If your business model relies on invading people’s privacy. Then screw your business model.
by mrcartmenez 6y ago
I want this so much. If your business model relies on invading people’s privacy. Then screw your business model.
- danbruc 6y agoAs far as I am concerned, we can prohibit advertising altogether and replace it with independent reviews.
- junippor 6y agoNot sure if you're trolling or genuinely don't know how this works.
- danbruc 6y agoI am serious. A bit exaggerated but essentially you pay someone to lie to you. And that does not sound like something I would want to support.
- endymi0n 6y agoPlease, no. Advertising is like drugs: There‘s always a demand, and if it‘s not satisfied legally and transparently, it will find a way through other means. I already can’t trust most influencers or any other "independent" reviewers. Pushing ad dollars into prohibition will make the problem much worse than it already is.
- danbruc 6y agoThere‘s always a demand [...] Maybe I am out of touch with reality but it seems to me that there is mostly a demand, or maybe better a desire, to advertise something while I do not think that there is the same demand or desire to consume those advertisements. But all kind of media will happily take some of those advertising dollars and force the ads onto us, whether online, on paper, on TV, or billboards. And people don't complain because they get stuff cheaper or even for free, or so they think.
- tremon 6y agoAdvertising is like drugs: There‘s always a demand, and if it‘s not satisfied legally and transparently, it will find a way through other means If by that you mean that we should incarcerate influencers like we do drug traffickers, I'm all for it!
- dekken_ 6y agoAmen to that
- dekken_ 6y agoNo, Advertising is propaganda. Period.
- TuringTest 6y agoI wouldn't mind some targeted advertising. If it were contained in a single place, to visit whenever I wanted to. Double gain if it would eliminate tracked advertising on the rest of the internet.
- jfk13 6y agoI wonder who'd fund that, and how we'd ensure independence?
- danbruc 6y agoHere in Germany we have Stiftung Warentest [1] and it is financed by selling their reports as magazines and online. They also receive some government support from the consumer protection ministry. Not sure if there are any competitors, Stiftung Warentest is certainly by far the most well known one. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiftung_Warentest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiftung_Warentest
- jakub_g 6y agoThere's a similar thing in France called "60 Millions de consommateurs": https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&u=https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/60_Millions_de_consommateurs https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&u=https:/... which is great, but I think DE and FR are way ahead compared to other countries in that area. Edit: also in UK there's "Which?": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Which%3F https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Which%3F
- jfk13 6y agoYes, I'm aware of Which? -- my parents used to get it when I was growing up. It was only ever able to cover a tiny part of the market for a few selected things, though. (And of course only a small minority of people would ever see it.) I'm not sure how well that would scale.
- shin_lao 6y agoYou will have a very hard time to define what is advertising and what's not. How can a business tell you about its existence?
- matheusmoreira 6y agoThat would be an utopia indeed. Advertising suffers from a massive conflict of interest. People would be much better served by independent third parties evaluating products and publishing the results. We just gotta make sure they aren't corrupted.
- mdpopescu 6y agoAfter that, we can also make sure politicians are honest and children are well-behaved.
- drak0n1c 6y agoSmall restaurants rely on postcards sent to targeted addresses in the neighborhood to get off the ground. I can appreciate those. Is that targeted?
- tenebrisalietum 6y agoAnonymously targeting neighboorhoods is OK, no one's name is involved in that, just a list of addresses. This is different than surveilling people's private and intimate communications, building a profile from those, then targeting against those built profiles.
- pb7 6y agoHow do you feel about grocery stores inflating prices and then offering discounts across the board when using their loyalty programs for which you have to give up your information? This is then used to mail you targeted flyers for products they think you will want to buy based on your purchase history.
- tenebrisalietum 6y agoIt's a good indicator of the market price on privacy. I can always not use the loyalty card if I really want a purchase to be private, but that would only be really true if: - I approached the store not using any type of vehicle with a government identifier that could be potientially observed or tracked, - I paid cash, - I wore a disguise to not show up on the store's security cameras or be recognizable to others, - and I didn't bring a cell phone and/or any other device broadcasting a MAC address to a potential sniffer.
- mrec 6y agoIs it? If it was really that easy to track and identify customers without using loyalty cards, why would they bother with the faff and expense of loyalty cards? I half-wonder whether there's a more pernicious plan which actively wants customers to know they're being tracked, on the assumption that if they see their purchases as contributing to a persistent profile with unknown distribution, they'll try to curate that profile to make themselves "look good" the same way they do on Facebook etc. Don't want everyone to think I'm a cheapskate, better buy that more expensive brand even though I can't taste the difference...