I remember liking this interview when I heard it years ago (about an hour long). https://archive.org/details/nerdtv003 https://archive.org/details/nerdtv003 It

I remember liking this interview when I heard it years ago (about an hour long). https://archive.org/details/nerdtv003 https://archive.org/details/nerdtv003 It was from a Cringely series called NerdTV and the tagline for this episode: Bill Joy -- the father of Berkeley UNIX -- explains why he was fired from the International House of Pancakes.