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Can you bring contemporary examples, not things that happened decades before many of the posters here were even alive?
by hd4 6y ago
Can you bring contemporary examples, not things that happened decades before many of the posters here were even alive?
- jjgreen 6y agoMy question was not a rhetorical device, it was a question -- I'm genuinely interested in the answer.
- Cthulhu_ 6y agoFrom the wiki article itself: > The compulsory sterilization of American men and women continues to this day. In 2013, it was reported that 148 female prisoners in two California prisons were sterilized between 2006 and 2010 in a supposedly voluntary program, but it was determined that the prisoners did not give consent to the procedures. > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alex-stern/sterilization-california-prisons_b_3631287.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alex-stern/sterilization-calif... It was banned in 2014 at least. But 2013 is contemporary enough.
- marcinzm 6y agoEvil as that is, it's not genocide since it's not aimed at the destruction of a national, ethnic, racial or religious group. The other western examples cited were aimed at that as is what China is doing.
- maxerickson 6y agoAlso last summer in the immigration detention center(s?). https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/9/15/21437805/whistleblower-hysterectomies-nurse-irwin-ice https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/9/15/21437805/w... I guess there can be some room for discussion about whether it is genocide if there is not a clear target group/culture. Doesn't make it less heinous, just a different sort of heinous.
- emptysongglass 6y agoIt was one center by one doctor who is being investigated. This was not the machinations of federal or state.
- maxerickson 6y agoThere's strong evidence of the one doctor and concerns that it might be more widespread. Were there people that knew about it and didn't stop it? And it very much is a failure of government if an individual is systematically abusing people that are in government custody.
- emptysongglass 6y agoWho are you asking this question? Let's stick to the facts of the investigation, please, and not cast about beyond what we know. A failure of government ≠ intent, which is what I indicated with my use of the word machinations.
- maxerickson 6y agoIt is an open question is the point. Like there should be someone at DHS that can credibly answer "No" if you want to set it aside. And I wasn't arguing that there was intent, I was arguing that intent isn't the standard that we should use to judge governance.