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Will happen the year linux starts dominating desktop.

by username90 6y ago

fsflover 6y ago
It's starting to dominate mobile already!
- coldtea 6y ago
  Isn't it insignificant in mobile? Linux dominating mobile should not be about Android using the Linux kernel underneath the scenes...
- jaegerpicker 6y ago
  Android != linux anymore than iOS == BSD. Both have open source kernels but all the stuff that matters on both OS's is closed source. As long as there is money to be made on selling computing devices open source will ALWAYS be at a big enough disadvantage that it can't catch up. Simply because Apple, Google, Microsoft etc.... can take the ideas from open source and build it into it's OS's but Linux can't. I'd personally love if Open Source ruled the consumer market but that's not going to happen.
  - fsflover 6y ago
    I am not speaking about Android. I also did not say "started" but "starting". Here are the GNU/Linux phones with constantly increasing number of sales (but still tiny of course): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PinePhone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PinePhone
    - jaegerpicker 6y ago
      I love Open Source but I can't ever see them competing with Apple or Google. Literally billions of devices out in the world tied to services that are critical to everyday live. I think this war is already lost.
      - fsflover 6y ago
        Please stop spreading learned helplessness. I see a lot of people don't like both Apple and Google, so GNU/Linux phones will definitely spread significantly.
        jaegerpicker 6y ago
        I'm not spreading anything, if you think a lot of people don't like Apple and Google enough to consider linux phones that are objectively less useful then you live in a tech bubble. The VAST majority of people just want their phone to text, show google maps, browse Facebook, and shop Amazon on the apps they know and are used to. It's unlikely in the Extreme that we will see mass migration to Linux. That's not helplessness, I can and have run linux as my main desktop at various times for the last 20 years. It's simply not as good as the commercial alternatives. It's just reality.
        fsflover 6y ago
        > if you think a lot of people don't like Apple and Google enough to consider linux phones that are objectively less useful I think that Linux phones are going to be very useful very quickly given huge interest of the community and openness of the platform.
cik 6y ago
I've been promised that for 20 years, and waiting for 27. I'm willing to see whether or not Linux ever really "desktops".
- deleted 6y ago
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FlownScepter 6y ago
I'm just going to issue a prediction that as long as "recompiling components of the OS" remains a satisfactory answer to a technical problem on linux subreddits, this will never, ever happen.
- AshamedCaptain 6y ago
  This is an absurd remark, yet often made. Whenever a solution to a technical problem is "recompile components of the OS", this means the answer to the same problem in a "non-linux"/non-free system would be "piss and moan and bend over and take it up the tail pipe". aka: no solution whatsoever. The developer's way or the highway. The point is: once your problem is complicated enough that your only resort is to edit the software, free software _at least_ gives you the chance to do that. It's no wonder people actually suggest doing it. Proprietary software does not. It's no wonder people _don't_ suggest doing it. If it was supposed to be a complain, better rephrase it.
  - FlownScepter 6y ago
    > Whenever a solution to a technical problem is "recompile components of the OS", this means the answer to the same problem in a "non-linux"/non-free system The kicker being that such problems are so rare as to be functionally nonexistent, and even in such cases, usually contacting the vendor can at least give you some options. A few anecdotes from my own experiences: 1) Windows\MacOS have never simply refused to use a network card, for no apparent reason. 2) MacOS has never destroyed it's own bootloader because it was Tuesday and it was bored: Windows did it once, but it was repaired automatically by the recovery partition. 3) Windows\MacOS have never refused to play audio after resuming from standby until rebooted. > The point is: once your problem is complicated enough that your only resort is to edit the software, free software _at least_ gives you the chance to do that But conversely, I don't have to edit software I paid for that's built on a reliable, if imperfect, OS. A reboot fixes almost anything wrong with Windows, and sure, I'd appreciate it if it could be like linux and stretch it's uptime into years, but also, a reboot takes less time than a run for coffee. That a solution technically exists is less important than the accessibility of the solution.

Will happen the year linux starts dominating desktop.

fsflover 6y ago

It's starting to dominate mobile already!

coldtea 6y ago
Isn't it insignificant in mobile? Linux dominating mobile should not be about Android using the Linux kernel underneath the scenes...
jaegerpicker 6y ago
Android != linux anymore than iOS == BSD. Both have open source kernels but all the stuff that matters on both OS's is closed source. As long as there is money to be made on selling computing devices open source will ALWAYS be at a big enough disadvantage that it can't catch up. Simply because Apple, Google, Microsoft etc.... can take the ideas from open source and build it into it's OS's but Linux can't. I'd personally love if Open Source ruled the consumer market but that's not going to happen.
- fsflover 6y ago
  I am not speaking about Android. I also did not say "started" but "starting". Here are the GNU/Linux phones with constantly increasing number of sales (but still tiny of course): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PinePhone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PinePhone
  - jaegerpicker 6y ago
    I love Open Source but I can't ever see them competing with Apple or Google. Literally billions of devices out in the world tied to services that are critical to everyday live. I think this war is already lost.
    - fsflover 6y ago
      Please stop spreading learned helplessness. I see a lot of people don't like both Apple and Google, so GNU/Linux phones will definitely spread significantly.
      - jaegerpicker 6y ago
        I'm not spreading anything, if you think a lot of people don't like Apple and Google enough to consider linux phones that are objectively less useful then you live in a tech bubble. The VAST majority of people just want their phone to text, show google maps, browse Facebook, and shop Amazon on the apps they know and are used to. It's unlikely in the Extreme that we will see mass migration to Linux. That's not helplessness, I can and have run linux as my main desktop at various times for the last 20 years. It's simply not as good as the commercial alternatives. It's just reality.
        fsflover 6y ago
        > if you think a lot of people don't like Apple and Google enough to consider linux phones that are objectively less useful I think that Linux phones are going to be very useful very quickly given huge interest of the community and openness of the platform.

cik 6y ago

I've been promised that for 20 years, and waiting for 27. I'm willing to see whether or not Linux ever really "desktops".

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FlownScepter 6y ago

I'm just going to issue a prediction that as long as "recompiling components of the OS" remains a satisfactory answer to a technical problem on linux subreddits, this will never, ever happen.

AshamedCaptain 6y ago
This is an absurd remark, yet often made. Whenever a solution to a technical problem is "recompile components of the OS", this means the answer to the same problem in a "non-linux"/non-free system would be "piss and moan and bend over and take it up the tail pipe". aka: no solution whatsoever. The developer's way or the highway. The point is: once your problem is complicated enough that your only resort is to edit the software, free software _at least_ gives you the chance to do that. It's no wonder people actually suggest doing it. Proprietary software does not. It's no wonder people _don't_ suggest doing it. If it was supposed to be a complain, better rephrase it.
- FlownScepter 6y ago
  > Whenever a solution to a technical problem is "recompile components of the OS", this means the answer to the same problem in a "non-linux"/non-free system The kicker being that such problems are so rare as to be functionally nonexistent, and even in such cases, usually contacting the vendor can at least give you some options. A few anecdotes from my own experiences: 1) Windows\MacOS have never simply refused to use a network card, for no apparent reason. 2) MacOS has never destroyed it's own bootloader because it was Tuesday and it was bored: Windows did it once, but it was repaired automatically by the recovery partition. 3) Windows\MacOS have never refused to play audio after resuming from standby until rebooted. > The point is: once your problem is complicated enough that your only resort is to edit the software, free software _at least_ gives you the chance to do that But conversely, I don't have to edit software I paid for that's built on a reliable, if imperfect, OS. A reboot fixes almost anything wrong with Windows, and sure, I'd appreciate it if it could be like linux and stretch it's uptime into years, but also, a reboot takes less time than a run for coffee. That a solution technically exists is less important than the accessibility of the solution.