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The pro machines are allready out. You can buy a Macbook pro M1 right now.

coldtea 6y ago
Parent doesn't mean machines with "Pro" in their branding name, they mean the models actually used by technical/cpu-demanding pros in video/graphic design/audio/3d/etc. (non technical/cpu-demanding professionals, e.g. some office working just needing web and excel, can use Macbook Air or whatever too). And those aren't out yet, those would be the 16 MBP, the Mac Pro, the iMac and iMac Pro, and so on.
- Toutouxc 6y ago
  You can also use the "MacBook Air or whatever" to compile code just as fast [1] as the 16" MBP. If that isn't a cpu-demanding task then I don't know what is. (not trying to be rude, just that the Air is currently a very capable and pro-tier machine) [1] https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/17/apple-silicon-m1-compiles-code-as-fast-as-mac-pro/ https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/17/apple-silicon-m1-compil...
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    Those kinds of professionals won't be comparing it to other MacBooks, but to other computers of the same form factor. The M1 Macs still aren't the leader in multicore performance or multicore performance per watt. If you're a programmer that mostly relies on multicore performance, the current M1 Macs aren't the gold standard. Unless of course you are drawn to the OS or something else.
    - rowanG077 6y ago
      Which computer in the same form factor as the air is as capable or better? All of them are throttling messes. AMD is better then Intel but they still throttle.
      - sudosysgen 6y ago
        The high end Ryzen 5000 series processors even when throttled to their lowest continuous speed still outperform the M1 Macs in multicore. Having twice the cores makes a huge difference.
    - coldtea 6y ago
      >Those kinds of professionals won't be comparing it to other MacBooks, but to other computers of the same form factor. Not really, since most of those kinds of professionals concerned already used Intel Macbooks. It's not like they're gonna win the "build some tower yourself crowd".
      - sudosysgen 6y ago
        The new AMD Ryzen 5000 series laptops are faster multicore than the M1 MacBooks. I'm not comparing towers, a powerful desktop computer would absolutely murder an M1 MacBook in multicore, it wouldn't even be close.
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        rowanG077 6y ago
        Can you send me a link of a ryzen 5000 laptop with the same form factor? All of them I know are either >14 inches or are much thicker.
        sudosysgen 6y ago
        Sure, if you're looking for the form-factor of a MacBook Air, there are quite a few. For example, the Lenovo 14p lineup, but there are many others. Depending on where you live, there may be some supply issues, especially if you are looking for a model with an NVidia 3000 series GPU.
        rowanG077 6y ago
        That's not really the same form factor. It's at least 20% heavier and much more thick and larger. The same form factor would be something like a Dell XPS 13 or surface pro. But those are not offered with Ryzen CPUs.
        sudosysgen 6y ago
- rowanG077 6y ago
  But why not call out the specific niche then? Pro does not equal high demands. And audio has very different demands then 3D work for example. In fact for audio work the M1 is perfect hardware wise.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    There are pros that don't even need a computer. We're talking here about pros in the context of "increased hardware demands". This has little to do with "Pro" in the product name or not, nor with them being more professional than other working people.
    - rowanG077 6y ago
      The M1 Macbook pro is better then the 16 inch intel Macbook pro. I'm not sure it gets more "pro" then this.
      - samatman 6y ago
        For Apple, the core of "pro" is audiovisual professionals. I mean, really, it just means "the expensive one", as in AirPods Pro, but sticking to Macs for a second: if your job is video editing, or publishing, the bigger and nicer screen is going to trump a faster processor and better battery life. The (much) better speakers are also a big plus. Smart users in that category are holding off new purchases, if they possibly can, until the M2 (presumably) 16" MBPs drop. Especially if the rumors hold and it comes with an onboard SD card reader.
  - michelb 6y ago
    The M1 is fine for a lot of workloads but the current M1 macs are not suitable for heavy work. Regarding niches; video work, audio work, ML, compiling stuff larger than simple projects, etc. The current M1 macs start to break down on a lot of medium sized workloads due a lack of RAM. So in my view, pro machine = >32gb ram, better gpu performance, better multicore performance.

Parent doesn't mean machines with "Pro" in their branding name, they mean the models actually used by technical/cpu-demanding pros in video/graphic design/audio/3d/etc. (non technical/cpu-demanding professionals, e.g. some office working just needing web and excel, can use Macbook Air or whatever too). And those aren't out yet, those would be the 16 MBP, the Mac Pro, the iMac and iMac Pro, and so on.

Toutouxc 6y ago
You can also use the "MacBook Air or whatever" to compile code just as fast [1] as the 16" MBP. If that isn't a cpu-demanding task then I don't know what is. (not trying to be rude, just that the Air is currently a very capable and pro-tier machine) [1] https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/17/apple-silicon-m1-compiles-code-as-fast-as-mac-pro/ https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/17/apple-silicon-m1-compil...
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  Those kinds of professionals won't be comparing it to other MacBooks, but to other computers of the same form factor. The M1 Macs still aren't the leader in multicore performance or multicore performance per watt. If you're a programmer that mostly relies on multicore performance, the current M1 Macs aren't the gold standard. Unless of course you are drawn to the OS or something else.
  - rowanG077 6y ago
    Which computer in the same form factor as the air is as capable or better? All of them are throttling messes. AMD is better then Intel but they still throttle.
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      The high end Ryzen 5000 series processors even when throttled to their lowest continuous speed still outperform the M1 Macs in multicore. Having twice the cores makes a huge difference.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    >Those kinds of professionals won't be comparing it to other MacBooks, but to other computers of the same form factor. Not really, since most of those kinds of professionals concerned already used Intel Macbooks. It's not like they're gonna win the "build some tower yourself crowd".
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      The new AMD Ryzen 5000 series laptops are faster multicore than the M1 MacBooks. I'm not comparing towers, a powerful desktop computer would absolutely murder an M1 MacBook in multicore, it wouldn't even be close.
      - deleted 6y ago
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      - rowanG077 6y ago
        Can you send me a link of a ryzen 5000 laptop with the same form factor? All of them I know are either >14 inches or are much thicker.
        sudosysgen 6y ago
        Sure, if you're looking for the form-factor of a MacBook Air, there are quite a few. For example, the Lenovo 14p lineup, but there are many others. Depending on where you live, there may be some supply issues, especially if you are looking for a model with an NVidia 3000 series GPU.
        rowanG077 6y ago
        That's not really the same form factor. It's at least 20% heavier and much more thick and larger. The same form factor would be something like a Dell XPS 13 or surface pro. But those are not offered with Ryzen CPUs.
        sudosysgen 6y ago
rowanG077 6y ago
But why not call out the specific niche then? Pro does not equal high demands. And audio has very different demands then 3D work for example. In fact for audio work the M1 is perfect hardware wise.
- coldtea 6y ago
  There are pros that don't even need a computer. We're talking here about pros in the context of "increased hardware demands". This has little to do with "Pro" in the product name or not, nor with them being more professional than other working people.
  - rowanG077 6y ago
    The M1 Macbook pro is better then the 16 inch intel Macbook pro. I'm not sure it gets more "pro" then this.
    - samatman 6y ago
      For Apple, the core of "pro" is audiovisual professionals. I mean, really, it just means "the expensive one", as in AirPods Pro, but sticking to Macs for a second: if your job is video editing, or publishing, the bigger and nicer screen is going to trump a faster processor and better battery life. The (much) better speakers are also a big plus. Smart users in that category are holding off new purchases, if they possibly can, until the M2 (presumably) 16" MBPs drop. Especially if the rumors hold and it comes with an onboard SD card reader.
- michelb 6y ago
  The M1 is fine for a lot of workloads but the current M1 macs are not suitable for heavy work. Regarding niches; video work, audio work, ML, compiling stuff larger than simple projects, etc. The current M1 macs start to break down on a lot of medium sized workloads due a lack of RAM. So in my view, pro machine = >32gb ram, better gpu performance, better multicore performance.