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I think we're just a few steps away from having our own devices in such a deeply locked state that boot disks will eventually stop working on any sufficiently m
by marcodiego 6y ago
I think we're just a few steps away from having our own devices in such a deeply locked state that boot disks will eventually stop working on any sufficiently modern system.
- my123 6y agoIt's just a set of bugs here, because of it using a redesigned boot chain. The bugs will be fixed, just takes some time. Has nothing to do with trying to impose additional restrictions.
- marcodiego 6y ago> Has nothing to do with trying to impose additional restrictions. For now, maybe. Consider the time when microsoft was partially successful to boot-lock arm devices: https://www.softwarefreedom.org/blog/2012/jan/12/microsoft-confirms-UEFI-fears-locks-down-ARM/ https://www.softwarefreedom.org/blog/2012/jan/12/microsoft-c... The old adage "do not assign to malice what can be properly explained by stupidity" should not be blindly applied when it involves powerful companies.
- my123 6y agoI can assure you here that it works on some drives but not others because the boot chain on Apple Silicon Macs is written from scratch, not using UEFI. Bugs are being worked out slowly, and there's no reason to assume bad intentions here. (I have an Apple M1 MacBook Air, and it boots from a Samsung T7 external SSD just fine)
- machello13 6y agoIMO this line of thinking implies a lack of contextual understanding about Apple's culture, strategy, and history. Of course we can never predict 100% what big companies will do, but we can be pretty sure Apple isn't interested in doing that.
- bitcharmer 6y agoNo, it's just Apple. The rest of the world doesn't do this nonsense.
- ant6n 6y agoI can boot all other arm devices with usb? Huh, maybe I’ll get an android phone and chromebook after all.
- bitcharmer 6y agoIs there something in ARM that prevents booting from external disks? What about Raspberry Pi?
- ant6n 6y agoNah. Just that most manufacturers sell the devices in such a deeply locked state that boot disks are not supported. Though ARM appears to be missing an open-spec BIOS/Boot standard like x86 has.
- floatboth 6y agoSBSA-compliant systems boot with UEFI+ACPI. Server customers care about standardization, so boot was made "boring" and basically identical to x86. It's just the embedded junk (which includes Apple) that doesn't care. Apple has vertical integration, they only care about the full experience including their own OS. Embedded SoC vendors only care about having some "BSP" fork of Linux because that is enough to make a crappy device with it. There's just, unfortunately, zero motivation for these vendors to embrace standards.
- coldtea 6y agoThe rest of the world doesn't care about security?
- breakingcups 6y agoThrough stupidity and malice.
- marcan_42 6y agoApple expended a significant amount of resources designing this bespoke boot chain so that it isn't locked down and does in fact let users run completely unsigned operating systems (as long as they have physical access and give consent with their local user credentials). In fact, the design goes further, allowing individual installed OSes to have different security levels, thus allowing users to get the benefits of both a completely opened up OS install and a fully Apple-vetted, secureboot install. They aren't going to backtrack on all that. That'd be silly. So please stop the FUD about Apple locking their devices down; this is a Mac, not an iPhone :-)