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According to the Apple documentation, if the user is in China this check "may" be done via Tencent. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210675 https://support.ap

by eznzt 6y ago

According to the Apple documentation, if the user is in China this check "may" be done via Tencent. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210675 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210675 >For users with China mainland set as their region in Settings > General > Language and Region, Safari may also use Tencent Safe Browsing to do this check. Are these checks proxified as well?

nooneknowswhy 6y ago
It's highly unlikely. It is required by CCP law to record user activities up to 90 (or 30? vague memories) days.
- BelenusMordred 6y ago
  > 90 days Actually sounds pretty good. In Australia it is 730 days.
  - ardy42 6y ago
    >> It's highly unlikely. It is required by CCP law to record user activities up to 90 (or 30? vague memories) days. > Actually sounds pretty good. In Australia it is 730 days. No, it doesn't. China requires the content of user activities to be saved, so your chat history is literally being sent to the local police in real time for scanning. The result is stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiMLVYK4hEc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiMLVYK4hEc (Chinese police casually asserting their dominance by locking some poor guy in a tiger chair for badmouthing them on a private WeChat chat). A few years back someone found an analyzed an unsecured Mongo DB that was storing these messages: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/open-mongodb-databases-expose-chinese-surveillance-data/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/open-mongodb-... IIRC, Australia only has metadata retention requirements.
    - La1n 6y ago
      I am sorry, but how do we know that youtube video is real? The channel it is uploaded to doesn't seem trustworthy at all. >China requires the content of user activities to be saved, Do you have a source for this? I find it hard to find information on this, I assume it's because I don't speak Chinese.
      - uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 6y ago
        Hi Xi!
      - loceng 6y ago
        Another different case, but part of the same tyrannical complex, video and an in-depth article you can read: https://twitter.com/Terrence_STR/status/1291013545547661312 https://twitter.com/Terrence_STR/status/1291013545547661312 https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/i42wif/secret_footage_shows_uighur_mans_detention_inside/ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/i42wif/secret_fo... The other signal is that the CCP prevents the United Nations from sending anyone to investigate these cases to interview people imprisoned, etc. But stories leak out regardless. There's a spectrum to understand. Even here in Canada we don't treat those who are imprisoned very well - but relative to other countries, perhaps better. Likewise I our health care system, contrast to the foreign narrative, really isn't that good - but relative to say a country without any publicly funded health, of course it is in comparison amazing that we've reached that point; there's still regulatory capture to deal from industrial complexes to deal with, along with indoctrination and groups of professionals who have weight behind them and their survival (keeping their jobs) is also something to counter - where they dictate the quality of care and what quality even means, what acceptable even means, and currently at least in Canada with almost no accountability or oversight - so there's no one keeping things in check.
        La1n 6y ago
        I didn't need to see more "CCP oppresses people" proof. I asked specifically for the linked video and the specific law. Just because other bad things happen doesn't mean all things are true. You are bringing unrelated topics into the conversation that are sure to start a nationalistic flamewar.
    - david422 6y ago
      That's eye opening if true.
      - kogus 6y ago
        Surveillance in China is completely ubiquitous to an extent that most westerners don't realize. There is an excellent book on the subject, "We Have Been Harmonized" by Kai Strittmatter that discusses it. As an example, if you jaywalk in Shenzen, facial recognition technology will trigger and have your face and name posted on a television screen before you have even finished crossing the road.
    - shakna 6y ago
      The Australian implementation is "metadata", but what that is and means is still rather ambiguous. After a five year court case, the Federal Court decided in 2017 that the average citizen isn't allowed to access all data that may be about them, despite being allowed to do so under the Privacy Act. If that sounds ambiguous... It's because it is. Without an ability to say with is metadata and what is not, everything may be getting stored, and some companies will be overly conservative in how much data they are storing. Not to say that this is worse than the Chinese implementation which is far more explicit in its demands for privacy invasion, just that the Australian case is... Worse than it sounds.
antonio081014 6y ago
Before using Google, all these service and data go through Tencent for years.

by eznzt 6y ago

nooneknowswhy 6y ago

It's highly unlikely. It is required by CCP law to record user activities up to 90 (or 30? vague memories) days.

BelenusMordred 6y ago
> 90 days Actually sounds pretty good. In Australia it is 730 days.
- ardy42 6y ago
  >> It's highly unlikely. It is required by CCP law to record user activities up to 90 (or 30? vague memories) days. > Actually sounds pretty good. In Australia it is 730 days. No, it doesn't. China requires the content of user activities to be saved, so your chat history is literally being sent to the local police in real time for scanning. The result is stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiMLVYK4hEc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiMLVYK4hEc (Chinese police casually asserting their dominance by locking some poor guy in a tiger chair for badmouthing them on a private WeChat chat). A few years back someone found an analyzed an unsecured Mongo DB that was storing these messages: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/open-mongodb-databases-expose-chinese-surveillance-data/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/open-mongodb-... IIRC, Australia only has metadata retention requirements.
  - La1n 6y ago
    I am sorry, but how do we know that youtube video is real? The channel it is uploaded to doesn't seem trustworthy at all. >China requires the content of user activities to be saved, Do you have a source for this? I find it hard to find information on this, I assume it's because I don't speak Chinese.
    - uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 6y ago
      Hi Xi!
    - loceng 6y ago
      Another different case, but part of the same tyrannical complex, video and an in-depth article you can read: https://twitter.com/Terrence_STR/status/1291013545547661312 https://twitter.com/Terrence_STR/status/1291013545547661312 https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/i42wif/secret_footage_shows_uighur_mans_detention_inside/ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/i42wif/secret_fo... The other signal is that the CCP prevents the United Nations from sending anyone to investigate these cases to interview people imprisoned, etc. But stories leak out regardless. There's a spectrum to understand. Even here in Canada we don't treat those who are imprisoned very well - but relative to other countries, perhaps better. Likewise I our health care system, contrast to the foreign narrative, really isn't that good - but relative to say a country without any publicly funded health, of course it is in comparison amazing that we've reached that point; there's still regulatory capture to deal from industrial complexes to deal with, along with indoctrination and groups of professionals who have weight behind them and their survival (keeping their jobs) is also something to counter - where they dictate the quality of care and what quality even means, what acceptable even means, and currently at least in Canada with almost no accountability or oversight - so there's no one keeping things in check.
      - La1n 6y ago
        I didn't need to see more "CCP oppresses people" proof. I asked specifically for the linked video and the specific law. Just because other bad things happen doesn't mean all things are true. You are bringing unrelated topics into the conversation that are sure to start a nationalistic flamewar.
  - david422 6y ago
    That's eye opening if true.
    - kogus 6y ago
      Surveillance in China is completely ubiquitous to an extent that most westerners don't realize. There is an excellent book on the subject, "We Have Been Harmonized" by Kai Strittmatter that discusses it. As an example, if you jaywalk in Shenzen, facial recognition technology will trigger and have your face and name posted on a television screen before you have even finished crossing the road.
  - shakna 6y ago
    The Australian implementation is "metadata", but what that is and means is still rather ambiguous. After a five year court case, the Federal Court decided in 2017 that the average citizen isn't allowed to access all data that may be about them, despite being allowed to do so under the Privacy Act. If that sounds ambiguous... It's because it is. Without an ability to say with is metadata and what is not, everything may be getting stored, and some companies will be overly conservative in how much data they are storing. Not to say that this is worse than the Chinese implementation which is far more explicit in its demands for privacy invasion, just that the Australian case is... Worse than it sounds.

antonio081014 6y ago

Before using Google, all these service and data go through Tencent for years.