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Apple is going to extremes to get more power over users and force others to have less. Of course it can be painted as being "for privacy" but, really, anyone be

by Daho0n 6y ago

Apple is going to extremes to get more power over users and force others to have less. Of course it can be painted as being "for privacy" but, really, anyone believe that coming from Apple? EDIT: Come-on HN. Google has nothing to do with how trustworthy Apple is. You can distrust both. This whole "for privacy" push from Apple is clearly more about hurting others than protecting users. I'm surprised HN'ers are buying into this marketing ploy.

apples_oranges 6y ago
I do unless proven otherwise
wp381640 6y ago
Yep. Absolutely - trust them a lot more than I trust Google. I love what 14.5 is doing to shake up the privacy invading practices of the large internet co's.
- Daho0n 6y ago
  You can distrust both. >I love what 14.5 is doing to shake up the privacy invading practices of the large internet co's. Sure, but just don't believe it is for your privacy's sake.
  - JBorrow 6y ago
    Why not? It seems like a pretty clear cut move to increase privacy, drive up consumer satisfaction and loyalty, and increase sales. Yeah, they're doing it to sell more iPhones, sure, but I don't see how that's a bad thing.
roylez 6y ago
Apple makes money selling devices; Google makes money selling targeted ads. Making devices more secure will benefit Apple's business, so is collecting more user data to Google's business.
- clusterfish 6y ago
  Apple also makes significant money from services and app store. They might not have an incentive to violate your privacy but they absolutely have all the incentives to lock you into their walled garden as much as you'll take it, and then some. They will happily do it under the guise of protecting user privacy too. So no, they shouldn't get a pass on everything they do in the name of privacy just because they aren't an ad company. Although in this case the proxy server is reasonable I think.
  - jaywalk 6y ago
    For the vast majority of people, the walled garden is irrelevant. They're going to run the same apps on either Android or iOS, but on Android those apps have more ability to invade your privacy and Google is doing whatever it is they do to make money off you. On the other hand, Apple has every incentive to respect their users privacy.
- izacus 6y ago
  Apples service revenue is rising every year and they've actively pivoting away from making money with devices. Don't read the marketing materials, read the actual financials.
  - ksec 6y ago
    Exactly this. Apple has been sugar coating their initiative as privacy moves while they are actually strategic moves with every step towards crushing Google. The problem starts they focus on services revenue. The old days Steve Jobs would built Services to sell more products. Now Apple are building services only to extract more profits and revenue. And as the web include Apple ID for login, more users will forever be lock into Apple ecosystem even on the web. You no longer have users or customers direct relationship. Everything goes through Apple. And in the name of good and privacy Apple is standing in between every business and their customers. All while acting badly in the case against Epic when things dont go their way.
  - lorenzhs 6y ago
mirthflat83 6y ago
Ok Google
wil421 6y ago
Yes I trust a hardware company over an Ad company any day of the week.
gman83 6y ago
It's not worth it on HN. Everyone here is completely pro-Apple anti-Google it's not even possible to have a good-faith discussion. I agree with you distrust both of these corporations, Apple's figured out that by pushing the "privacy" marketing ploy they can defeat Google strategically, that's all this is about. If it would benefit them to abuse user privacy, they would.
- gpanders 6y ago
  > Everyone here is completely pro-Apple anti-Google Both extremes exist here, just like everywhere else. Anti-Apple articles/posts/discussions also get a ton of upvotes and frequently end up on the front page, and the discussions are filled with comments of people swearing off Apple forever. Apple is a polarizing company in the tech world and that is just as true on HN as anywhere else.
jmull 6y ago
> clearly more about hurting others than protecting users How is that clear? I don't have rosy feelings about Apple. But their primary business is designed around making the iPhone environment pleasant and unscary. While Google's is about optimally monetizing information about me. I trust Apple and Google just the same... to both do their best to follow their business interests. It just happens that one happens to align more with my interests than the other. If you think Apple and Google handle privacy essentially the same aside from superficial marketing, I think that means you don't understand what either of them want.

by Daho0n 6y ago

apples_oranges 6y ago

I do unless proven otherwise

wp381640 6y ago

Yep. Absolutely - trust them a lot more than I trust Google. I love what 14.5 is doing to shake up the privacy invading practices of the large internet co's.

Daho0n 6y ago
You can distrust both. >I love what 14.5 is doing to shake up the privacy invading practices of the large internet co's. Sure, but just don't believe it is for your privacy's sake.
- JBorrow 6y ago
  Why not? It seems like a pretty clear cut move to increase privacy, drive up consumer satisfaction and loyalty, and increase sales. Yeah, they're doing it to sell more iPhones, sure, but I don't see how that's a bad thing.

roylez 6y ago

Apple makes money selling devices; Google makes money selling targeted ads. Making devices more secure will benefit Apple's business, so is collecting more user data to Google's business.

clusterfish 6y ago
Apple also makes significant money from services and app store. They might not have an incentive to violate your privacy but they absolutely have all the incentives to lock you into their walled garden as much as you'll take it, and then some. They will happily do it under the guise of protecting user privacy too. So no, they shouldn't get a pass on everything they do in the name of privacy just because they aren't an ad company. Although in this case the proxy server is reasonable I think.
- jaywalk 6y ago
  For the vast majority of people, the walled garden is irrelevant. They're going to run the same apps on either Android or iOS, but on Android those apps have more ability to invade your privacy and Google is doing whatever it is they do to make money off you. On the other hand, Apple has every incentive to respect their users privacy.
izacus 6y ago
Apples service revenue is rising every year and they've actively pivoting away from making money with devices. Don't read the marketing materials, read the actual financials.
- ksec 6y ago
  Exactly this. Apple has been sugar coating their initiative as privacy moves while they are actually strategic moves with every step towards crushing Google. The problem starts they focus on services revenue. The old days Steve Jobs would built Services to sell more products. Now Apple are building services only to extract more profits and revenue. And as the web include Apple ID for login, more users will forever be lock into Apple ecosystem even on the web. You no longer have users or customers direct relationship. Everything goes through Apple. And in the name of good and privacy Apple is standing in between every business and their customers. All while acting badly in the case against Epic when things dont go their way.
- lorenzhs 6y ago

mirthflat83 6y ago

Ok Google

wil421 6y ago

Yes I trust a hardware company over an Ad company any day of the week.

gman83 6y ago

It's not worth it on HN. Everyone here is completely pro-Apple anti-Google it's not even possible to have a good-faith discussion. I agree with you distrust both of these corporations, Apple's figured out that by pushing the "privacy" marketing ploy they can defeat Google strategically, that's all this is about. If it would benefit them to abuse user privacy, they would.

gpanders 6y ago
> Everyone here is completely pro-Apple anti-Google Both extremes exist here, just like everywhere else. Anti-Apple articles/posts/discussions also get a ton of upvotes and frequently end up on the front page, and the discussions are filled with comments of people swearing off Apple forever. Apple is a polarizing company in the tech world and that is just as true on HN as anywhere else.

jmull 6y ago

> clearly more about hurting others than protecting users How is that clear? I don't have rosy feelings about Apple. But their primary business is designed around making the iPhone environment pleasant and unscary. While Google's is about optimally monetizing information about me. I trust Apple and Google just the same... to both do their best to follow their business interests. It just happens that one happens to align more with my interests than the other. If you think Apple and Google handle privacy essentially the same aside from superficial marketing, I think that means you don't understand what either of them want.