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Neanderthals were humans. Sex with them would maybe have been weird, but certainly not bestiality. I don't understand why you're comparing it with that - plea

Neanderthals were humans. Sex with them would maybe have been weird, but certainly not bestiality. I don't understand why you're comparing it with that - please elaborate?

vmception 6y ago
> but certainly not bestiality It really depends on what the ruler of the nearest Free City thought of that, not what we think of that
im3w1l 6y ago
It's a response to "may have considered each other attractive and even the same species". I brought it up to explain that things happen between way more distant species, so those are unnecessary conditions.
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- cutemonster 6y ago
  I'm thinking 1 or 2 percent neanderthal DNA sounds like a lot? Maybe making it a little bit necessary after all? (At the same time, who knows what was socially accepted back then, at various places)
tsimionescu 6y ago
I see it as a good argument that we don't need some special evidence to believe early modern humans and Neanderthals would have had sex (though we do need more evidence to understand if they could actually produce viable offspring), since we can look at the sexual behavior of modern humans with much more distant species.
- collyw 6y ago
  Doesn't most human DNA contain neanderthal DNA (with the exception of some Africans, from what I remember). Doesn't that imply viable offspring?
devmor 6y ago
> Neanderthals were humans. What an ignorant statement. Neanderthals were a Hominid in the genera Homo that co-existed at some point with Homo Sapiens. Whether or not they were a subspecies of H. Sapiens or a separate species within the genera is an entire field of study. (i.e. Siberian Tiger and Bengal Tiger vs. Siberian Tiger and Lion) If it were as simple as your claim, this article and the research that is it's subject would not exist.
- excalibur 6y ago
  Most of these groups were probably your ancestors. Some may have contributed more to your genetic makeup than others, this is irrelevant. Choosing to call some human but not others is a poor categorization decision that should be rectified.
  - devmor 6y ago
    No, Humans are specifically and exclusively the species Homo Sapiens. Furthermore, your supposition that "Most of these groups were probably your ancestors" is quite literally what the research described in this article is about, because that is not a known fact, and only one of multiple hypothesis. The prevailing theory is that your claim here is entirely wrong, and that early humans killed and possibly ate the Neanderthals rather than interbreeding with them. Step back and think about what you are doing right now. You're commenting about scientific research around an unknown point in anthropological history... making claims that would require you to know that point of history that is not known.
    - bashinator 6y ago
      > Humans are specifically and exclusively the species Homo Sapiens. Says who? I wasn't aware of "human" being a term of art in evolutionary biology. Though I do seem to recall all sorts of hominids being called "early humans" in my elementary and middle school texts.
      - didibus 6y ago

Neanderthals were humans. Sex with them would maybe have been weird, but certainly not bestiality. I don't understand why you're comparing it with that - please elaborate?

vmception 6y ago

> but certainly not bestiality It really depends on what the ruler of the nearest Free City thought of that, not what we think of that

im3w1l 6y ago

It's a response to "may have considered each other attractive and even the same species". I brought it up to explain that things happen between way more distant species, so those are unnecessary conditions.

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cutemonster 6y ago
I'm thinking 1 or 2 percent neanderthal DNA sounds like a lot? Maybe making it a little bit necessary after all? (At the same time, who knows what was socially accepted back then, at various places)

tsimionescu 6y ago

I see it as a good argument that we don't need some special evidence to believe early modern humans and Neanderthals would have had sex (though we do need more evidence to understand if they could actually produce viable offspring), since we can look at the sexual behavior of modern humans with much more distant species.

collyw 6y ago
Doesn't most human DNA contain neanderthal DNA (with the exception of some Africans, from what I remember). Doesn't that imply viable offspring?

devmor 6y ago

> Neanderthals were humans. What an ignorant statement. Neanderthals were a Hominid in the genera Homo that co-existed at some point with Homo Sapiens. Whether or not they were a subspecies of H. Sapiens or a separate species within the genera is an entire field of study. (i.e. Siberian Tiger and Bengal Tiger vs. Siberian Tiger and Lion) If it were as simple as your claim, this article and the research that is it's subject would not exist.

excalibur 6y ago
Most of these groups were probably your ancestors. Some may have contributed more to your genetic makeup than others, this is irrelevant. Choosing to call some human but not others is a poor categorization decision that should be rectified.
- devmor 6y ago
  No, Humans are specifically and exclusively the species Homo Sapiens. Furthermore, your supposition that "Most of these groups were probably your ancestors" is quite literally what the research described in this article is about, because that is not a known fact, and only one of multiple hypothesis. The prevailing theory is that your claim here is entirely wrong, and that early humans killed and possibly ate the Neanderthals rather than interbreeding with them. Step back and think about what you are doing right now. You're commenting about scientific research around an unknown point in anthropological history... making claims that would require you to know that point of history that is not known.
  - bashinator 6y ago
    > Humans are specifically and exclusively the species Homo Sapiens. Says who? I wasn't aware of "human" being a term of art in evolutionary biology. Though I do seem to recall all sorts of hominids being called "early humans" in my elementary and middle school texts.
    - didibus 6y ago