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Worth $28B and only have revenues of $450M a year, that should explain, this compagny is overevaluated.

by Thaxll 6y ago

thefounder 6y ago
The whole market is overvalued. It has become a kind of bitcoin. Fundamentals don't matter anymore. It's positioning and volume.
- MuffinFlavored 6y ago
  > The whole market is overvalued. This is actually fake news and I'll tell you why. Bond yields have never been this low. No other alternatives to park capital if you are seeking yield/return. The market is actually correctly valued if you take M2 money circulation/supply into account as well. Something like that. I read it on r/investing. You have to sift through the weed/penny stock posts to find the good information.
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  - khyryk 6y ago
    I've been thinking about this for a while. Let's say that the USD is indeed 40% devalued and the market melted up significantly as a result of this -- does this not make "value" stocks a massive bargain? That is, if something was at a PE of 10 before the money printing, has maintained reasonable fundamentals, and remains at a PE of 10, isn't it stunningly undervalued if the same money printing is used to justify "growth" stock rallies?
    - christophilus 6y ago
      It depends on how inflation affects the business. A lot of value companies don’t really have pricing power, and will likely have to eat some of the inflation. Edit: but yes. If we see inflation coming, it’s better to have a dollar now than a dollar in the future, so I guess that should favor value. Hm. Investing is tricky.
      - reducesuffering 6y ago
        If we see inflation coming, it's complicated for value vs. growth. On one hand, value benefits because they are usually more debt-laden companies and the debt is debased more over the years, which is generally good for value. On the other hand, if interest rates are the same (basically 0; dollar now is only better if you can immediately gain interest on it), then inflation isn't great for value because the growth companies have most of their dollars to be made in the future where it's inflation-adjusted.
    - thephyber 6y ago
      I used to care more about PE, but I came to realize that stock valuations are largely about near future expectations. To accurately capture this, you can't just look at the velocity of revenue, but the acceleration as well. That said, I currently think "value" stocks are out of fashion because of FOMO of the high-PE stocks.
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reducesuffering 6y ago
*Current revenues of $450M a year. However, $28B for revenues of $5b a year, 10 years out? Undervalued with ZIRP.
ksec 6y ago
I could see Cloudflare grow at least another 4X in the next 4-5 years without any other product. That put it at ~2B Revenue. That isn't too bad. And considering they are still innovating and working on products that directly competes with AWS and EC2, all of a sudden $28B valuation isn't so crazy. AWS is $40B revenue alone and still growing 33% YoY. The whole Cloud industry still have room to grow with no ceiling in sight. While the whole stock market is definitely bubbling at the moment. I wouldn't say Cloudflare is overvalued on its growth factor.

Worth $28B and only have revenues of $450M a year, that should explain, this compagny is overevaluated.

by Thaxll 6y ago

Worth $28B and only have revenues of $450M a year, that should explain, this compagny is overevaluated.

The whole market is overvalued. It has become a kind of bitcoin. Fundamentals don't matter anymore. It's positioning and volume.

MuffinFlavored 6y ago
> The whole market is overvalued. This is actually fake news and I'll tell you why. Bond yields have never been this low. No other alternatives to park capital if you are seeking yield/return. The market is actually correctly valued if you take M2 money circulation/supply into account as well. Something like that. I read it on r/investing. You have to sift through the weed/penny stock posts to find the good information.
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- khyryk 6y ago
  I've been thinking about this for a while. Let's say that the USD is indeed 40% devalued and the market melted up significantly as a result of this -- does this not make "value" stocks a massive bargain? That is, if something was at a PE of 10 before the money printing, has maintained reasonable fundamentals, and remains at a PE of 10, isn't it stunningly undervalued if the same money printing is used to justify "growth" stock rallies?
  - christophilus 6y ago
    It depends on how inflation affects the business. A lot of value companies don’t really have pricing power, and will likely have to eat some of the inflation. Edit: but yes. If we see inflation coming, it’s better to have a dollar now than a dollar in the future, so I guess that should favor value. Hm. Investing is tricky.
    - reducesuffering 6y ago
      If we see inflation coming, it's complicated for value vs. growth. On one hand, value benefits because they are usually more debt-laden companies and the debt is debased more over the years, which is generally good for value. On the other hand, if interest rates are the same (basically 0; dollar now is only better if you can immediately gain interest on it), then inflation isn't great for value because the growth companies have most of their dollars to be made in the future where it's inflation-adjusted.
  - thephyber 6y ago
    I used to care more about PE, but I came to realize that stock valuations are largely about near future expectations. To accurately capture this, you can't just look at the velocity of revenue, but the acceleration as well. That said, I currently think "value" stocks are out of fashion because of FOMO of the high-PE stocks.
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reducesuffering 6y ago

*Current revenues of $450M a year. However, $28B for revenues of $5b a year, 10 years out? Undervalued with ZIRP.

ksec 6y ago

I could see Cloudflare grow at least another 4X in the next 4-5 years without any other product. That put it at ~2B Revenue. That isn't too bad. And considering they are still innovating and working on products that directly competes with AWS and EC2, all of a sudden $28B valuation isn't so crazy. AWS is $40B revenue alone and still growing 33% YoY. The whole Cloud industry still have room to grow with no ceiling in sight. While the whole stock market is definitely bubbling at the moment. I wouldn't say Cloudflare is overvalued on its growth factor.