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As instructed and directed by Mayor Wilson Goode. The black democrat mayor of Philadelphia.

chishaku 6y ago
> As instructed and directed by Mayor Wilson Goode. Do you have a source? While taking responsibility, he always claimed he wasn't part of planning the specifics. FWIW I'm skeptical. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/10/when-i-was-mayor-philadelphia-bombed-civilians-its-time-for-the-city-to-apologise https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/10/when-i...
- vmception 6y ago
  I think the point is that the Mayor of a local municipality is not part of an agency of the Federal government, the FBI Although "black democrat" seems more relevant to some people than others and I'm not exactly sure why.
vmception 6y ago
> The black democrat mayor of Philadelphia. Does it mean that because black and democrat people do it too that its "more justified" because all combinations of people in power find reasons to use force against us residents including disportionately against the black ones, or that because they do it too its not a problem worth paying attention to because state violence perpetuated by non-black people could therefore not be a prejudiced, or something else? if it was a general issue with the state apparatus the race/ethnicity/political affiliation of the perpetrator would not be useful or relevant at all. I've never really understood which point people thought they were making (assuming you were making one at all, it just looks like the similar points made in other discussion forums. like "look black people are killing each other so why spend any energy on this other issue I don't want you to spend energy on!")
- will4274 6y ago
  No of course not any of those things. The question is cause and effect. Terrible things happen for a variety of reasons - sometimes because leaders want terrible things and sometimes because leaders want good things but are fools - I won't try to list every possible reason. The notion here is that a black mayor probably didn't want bad things to happen to blacks, so this specific incident probably was caused more by mistakes than malice on his part. Further, blacks and whites probably makes mistakes at similar rates. So, some incidents with white mayors may have also been caused my mistakes, not malice, we've now agreed there's a baseline level of mistake making. The point is, intent matters. If Joe Biden passed the 94 crime bill because he hates blacks, that's different that Joe Biden passing the 94 crime bill because he thought it would do good, and turning out to be incorrect. Fwiw, I've never understood how anybody could not get the point here. It's obvious, just incomplete and kinda hand wavy.
  - vmception 6y ago
    > Fwiw, I've never understood how anybody could not get the point here. > It's obvious, just incomplete and kinda hand wavy. So with it being incomplete and hand wavy you can’t see how anyone would assume any of my points either? I’m going to wait for the person I initially replied to, to clarify
DanBC 6y ago
I mean, if "the FBI supplied high explosive for these people to bomb a civilian street" doesn't meet the bar then nothing is going to satisfy you, is it?

> As instructed and directed by Mayor Wilson Goode. Do you have a source? While taking responsibility, he always claimed he wasn't part of planning the specifics. FWIW I'm skeptical. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/10/when-i-was-mayor-philadelphia-bombed-civilians-its-time-for-the-city-to-apologise https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/10/when-i...

vmception 6y ago
I think the point is that the Mayor of a local municipality is not part of an agency of the Federal government, the FBI Although "black democrat" seems more relevant to some people than others and I'm not exactly sure why.

vmception 6y ago

> The black democrat mayor of Philadelphia. Does it mean that because black and democrat people do it too that its "more justified" because all combinations of people in power find reasons to use force against us residents including disportionately against the black ones, or that because they do it too its not a problem worth paying attention to because state violence perpetuated by non-black people could therefore not be a prejudiced, or something else? if it was a general issue with the state apparatus the race/ethnicity/political affiliation of the perpetrator would not be useful or relevant at all. I've never really understood which point people thought they were making (assuming you were making one at all, it just looks like the similar points made in other discussion forums. like "look black people are killing each other so why spend any energy on this other issue I don't want you to spend energy on!")

will4274 6y ago
No of course not any of those things. The question is cause and effect. Terrible things happen for a variety of reasons - sometimes because leaders want terrible things and sometimes because leaders want good things but are fools - I won't try to list every possible reason. The notion here is that a black mayor probably didn't want bad things to happen to blacks, so this specific incident probably was caused more by mistakes than malice on his part. Further, blacks and whites probably makes mistakes at similar rates. So, some incidents with white mayors may have also been caused my mistakes, not malice, we've now agreed there's a baseline level of mistake making. The point is, intent matters. If Joe Biden passed the 94 crime bill because he hates blacks, that's different that Joe Biden passing the 94 crime bill because he thought it would do good, and turning out to be incorrect. Fwiw, I've never understood how anybody could not get the point here. It's obvious, just incomplete and kinda hand wavy.
- vmception 6y ago
  > Fwiw, I've never understood how anybody could not get the point here. > It's obvious, just incomplete and kinda hand wavy. So with it being incomplete and hand wavy you can’t see how anyone would assume any of my points either? I’m going to wait for the person I initially replied to, to clarify

DanBC 6y ago

I mean, if "the FBI supplied high explosive for these people to bomb a civilian street" doesn't meet the bar then nothing is going to satisfy you, is it?