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You can see them through archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20200731211652/https://twitter.com/EmilyKager/status/1289308930972278789 https://web.archive.o

• fireattack 6y ago
  So it's more like she directed her frustrations at the users ("haters") instead of the other way around?
  • acdha 6y ago
    No, that's her reaction _after_ a bunch of non-contributors whined that the project team was making different decisions than they wanted. This is a common hazard of visibly working in open source and it's caused a lot of people to decide it's not worth being involved in a project.
    • fireattack 6y ago
      Ok, that makes sense. It's an eye-opener for me that people would do that. I can't even name a single developer for any software I use, let alone find and harass them on social media.
      • acdha 6y ago
        It’s not a given but when it happens it can be relentless. GitHub added the block feature after some outbursts where some crank just wouldn’t give up. It also happens more when people decide someone doesn’t belong in the field: if you’re visibly a white male your odds are pretty low. I’ve heard more a few accounts of how the tone changes from “I found a bug” or “I don’t like this change” to “who told you that you were good enough to be a developer”.
      • sundarurfriend 6y ago
        These people probably didn't know her either. The tweet probably got picked up by someone and retweeted in the tone of "look at this Nero playing fiddle in the bath while our browser is burning" or similar outrage, and became viral from that. Twitter is a weird medium because of things like this - it's meant to be a personal stream-of-consciousness medium which is commonly used for honest venting from a vulnerable position, but is also a public medium which makes it inherently not a safe space for such vulnerability.
    • smsm42 6y ago
      As somebody who participated in an open-source project, I know the feeling. Whatever you decide at any decision point, there would be people that would loudly claim only an idiot could do something so obviously stupid. It's tough and sometimes exhausting and discouraging. But I never seen a single case where publicly flipping off people and calling them "haters" and proclaiming you do not care for their concerns (however badly expressed) helped anything. Even as a joke, it's not a kind of joke that usually plays out well.
      • acdha 6y ago
        Why is it her job to make a mob happy? She was targeted for nasty treatment and doesn’t owe them anything. It would be nice if there was a way to get those people to start contributing positively to the world but their decision not to do so is their responsibility alone. If this made her feel better after having to put up with that, I’m not going to fault her for it.
        • smsm42 6y ago
          It's not her job to make a mob happy. It's also not her job to make users and contributors sad because it looks like she is callously dismissing their concerns and calling them "haters". There are other, better ways to make oneself feel better than making other people feel worse.
    • sundarurfriend 6y ago
      > that's her reaction _after_ a bunch of non-contributors whined that the project team was making different decisions than they wanted Context for those who don't use Firefox on Android: the "whining" was people complaining that Mozilla had replaced a stable working product with what was clearly an inferior version, with less functionality (no addons) and less stability (this is the first version of Firefox to repeatedly crash on Android, in about a decade). Framing it as "different decisions than they wanted" is disingenuous and misleading. (I'd been a regular Firefox user for about a decade on Android, but have had to mostly switch to Brave because of this update. That's how bad it is.)
      • acdha 6y ago
        I described it as whining because it was coming from people who were ranting a lot but weren't contributing to the design or development. You’re painting a somewhat dramatic depiction but even if was true there’s nothing showing that the team wasn’t genuinely trying to deal with some technical debt and make a better browser. We still see the same dynamic on most desktop Firefox release threads here where someone will be very angry that Mozilla doesn’t let them direct development and will go strangely silent when asked how they’d deal with that problems which lead to those decisions in the first place.
• morsch 6y ago
  This opened as tab #26 on my Firefox Android because half a year later the bizarre tab handling is still unchanged. Sigh. And why does Mozilla have a "small team" working on Firefox Android? Their flagship product on the operating system with the largest install base.
  • dralley 6y ago
    It's not that small. But Android is also the most casual install base, and it comes with Chrome by default. It's probably the hardest market to gain marketshare in.