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I was curious about this, and went searching, and it's fairly difficult to figure out exactly what is being referenced. There is a reddit thread that links to

by codys 6y ago

I was curious about this, and went searching, and it's fairly difficult to figure out exactly what is being referenced. There is a reddit thread that links to deleted tweets that appears like it might be related: https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/i8nuyb https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/i8nuyb

chordalkeyboard 6y ago
Thanks for the link, always good to get more sides of a story.
- anuragsoni 6y ago
  I don't think there are "more sides" to this story. Harassing someone because one doesn't like an update to a piece of software is not okay.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
    There are always more sides to a story, and hearing another side doesn’t mean you think whatever they have done is “okay.” > Harassing someone because one doesn't like an update to a piece of software Harassment is probably never okay butneither is directing obscene gestures at people.
    - ekager 6y ago
      Hi! Emily here! Added some more context in a footnote in the blog post about this "obscene gesture" and the harassment after the fact. TLDR: The amount of disgusting harassment I received was unbelievable and could never be justified as a reasonable reaction to an "obscene gesture"
      - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
        Hi Emily! Thanks for your reply. I’m sorry to hear of your being the victim of harassment and I appreciate your post here clarifying the circumstances. Thank you for your contributions to open source software. Many web users, myself included, rely on free and open source projects for our work and recreation and these products would not exist without the generous contributions of kind and skilled persons such as yourself. I hope you recover from your burnout and find a fulfilling role somewhere that respects your mental health and values your contributions.
        phatfish 6y ago
        Awkward. Somehow I feel you would have been happily piling on with the harassment given the chance.
        chordalkeyboard 6y ago
        Consider being less judgmental of strangers in the future, your instincts are off.
      - skinkestek 6y ago
        I don't know really understand why users hate on ordinary devs. But as someone who is still using Firefox despite Mozilla management (not the devs) ignoring us, belittling us when we voice our concerns and destroy the software we fell in love with more than a decade ago over "ux" I can understand why people are frustrated: Firefox was in another league. Someone wrote about Pale Moon the other day, I can sadly not recommend using it as the main browser, I'm not in a position to vouch for the security, but if anyone wonders they could try to create a few ugly modern apps or open a few known safe websites and have a look : it feels snappy, even years after Firefox diverged! And it looks so good with all the old extensions. A real shame even I don't really dare to use it, but the web is a harsh environment.
        BlueTemplar 6y ago
        Opera was in another league too, but they fucked it up too.
    - zem 6y ago
      people who want to be assholes will always find a reason to do it. it doesn't make it another "side of the story".
SemNome 6y ago
You can see them through archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20200731211652/https://twitter.com/EmilyKager/status/1289308930972278789 https://web.archive.org/web/20200731211652/https://twitter.c... https://web.archive.org/web/20200731235001/https://twitter.com/emilykager/status/1289347370430246912 https://web.archive.org/web/20200731235001/https://twitter.c... https://web.archive.org/web/20200801025736/https://twitter.com/EmilyKager/status/1289394742082416641 https://web.archive.org/web/20200801025736/https://twitter.c...
- fireattack 6y ago
  So it's more like she directed her frustrations at the users ("haters") instead of the other way around?
  - acdha 6y ago
    No, that's her reaction _after_ a bunch of non-contributors whined that the project team was making different decisions than they wanted. This is a common hazard of visibly working in open source and it's caused a lot of people to decide it's not worth being involved in a project.
    - fireattack 6y ago
      Ok, that makes sense. It's an eye-opener for me that people would do that. I can't even name a single developer for any software I use, let alone find and harass them on social media.
      - acdha 6y ago
        It’s not a given but when it happens it can be relentless. GitHub added the block feature after some outbursts where some crank just wouldn’t give up. It also happens more when people decide someone doesn’t belong in the field: if you’re visibly a white male your odds are pretty low. I’ve heard more a few accounts of how the tone changes from “I found a bug” or “I don’t like this change” to “who told you that you were good enough to be a developer”.

by codys 6y ago

chordalkeyboard 6y ago

Thanks for the link, always good to get more sides of a story.

anuragsoni 6y ago
I don't think there are "more sides" to this story. Harassing someone because one doesn't like an update to a piece of software is not okay.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago
  There are always more sides to a story, and hearing another side doesn’t mean you think whatever they have done is “okay.” > Harassing someone because one doesn't like an update to a piece of software Harassment is probably never okay butneither is directing obscene gestures at people.
  - ekager 6y ago
    Hi! Emily here! Added some more context in a footnote in the blog post about this "obscene gesture" and the harassment after the fact. TLDR: The amount of disgusting harassment I received was unbelievable and could never be justified as a reasonable reaction to an "obscene gesture"
    - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
      Hi Emily! Thanks for your reply. I’m sorry to hear of your being the victim of harassment and I appreciate your post here clarifying the circumstances. Thank you for your contributions to open source software. Many web users, myself included, rely on free and open source projects for our work and recreation and these products would not exist without the generous contributions of kind and skilled persons such as yourself. I hope you recover from your burnout and find a fulfilling role somewhere that respects your mental health and values your contributions.
      - phatfish 6y ago
        Awkward. Somehow I feel you would have been happily piling on with the harassment given the chance.
        chordalkeyboard 6y ago
        Consider being less judgmental of strangers in the future, your instincts are off.
    - skinkestek 6y ago
      I don't know really understand why users hate on ordinary devs. But as someone who is still using Firefox despite Mozilla management (not the devs) ignoring us, belittling us when we voice our concerns and destroy the software we fell in love with more than a decade ago over "ux" I can understand why people are frustrated: Firefox was in another league. Someone wrote about Pale Moon the other day, I can sadly not recommend using it as the main browser, I'm not in a position to vouch for the security, but if anyone wonders they could try to create a few ugly modern apps or open a few known safe websites and have a look : it feels snappy, even years after Firefox diverged! And it looks so good with all the old extensions. A real shame even I don't really dare to use it, but the web is a harsh environment.
      - BlueTemplar 6y ago
        Opera was in another league too, but they fucked it up too.
  - zem 6y ago
    people who want to be assholes will always find a reason to do it. it doesn't make it another "side of the story".

SemNome 6y ago

You can see them through archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20200731211652/https://twitter.com/EmilyKager/status/1289308930972278789 https://web.archive.org/web/20200731211652/https://twitter.c... https://web.archive.org/web/20200731235001/https://twitter.com/emilykager/status/1289347370430246912 https://web.archive.org/web/20200731235001/https://twitter.c... https://web.archive.org/web/20200801025736/https://twitter.com/EmilyKager/status/1289394742082416641 https://web.archive.org/web/20200801025736/https://twitter.c...

fireattack 6y ago
So it's more like she directed her frustrations at the users ("haters") instead of the other way around?
- acdha 6y ago
  No, that's her reaction _after_ a bunch of non-contributors whined that the project team was making different decisions than they wanted. This is a common hazard of visibly working in open source and it's caused a lot of people to decide it's not worth being involved in a project.
  - fireattack 6y ago
    Ok, that makes sense. It's an eye-opener for me that people would do that. I can't even name a single developer for any software I use, let alone find and harass them on social media.
    - acdha 6y ago
      It’s not a given but when it happens it can be relentless. GitHub added the block feature after some outbursts where some crank just wouldn’t give up. It also happens more when people decide someone doesn’t belong in the field: if you’re visibly a white male your odds are pretty low. I’ve heard more a few accounts of how the tone changes from “I found a bug” or “I don’t like this change” to “who told you that you were good enough to be a developer”.