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> the FBI's campaign of ... murder of black leaders Source?

by creato 6y ago

rescripting 6y ago
The most notable one that comes to mind is Fred Hampton, chairman of the Illinois chapter of the Black Panthers [1]. It was a common part of the COINTELPRO playbook [2]. > The FBI also conspired with the police departments of many U.S. cities (San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Oakland, Philadelphia, Chicago) to encourage repeated raids on Black Panther homes—often with little or no evidence of violations of federal, state, or local laws—which resulted directly in the police killing many members of the Black Panther Party, most notably Chicago Black Panther Party Chairman Fred Hampton on December 4, 1969.[15][69][73] Before the death of Hampton, long-term infiltrator, William O'Neal, shared floor plans of his apartment with the COINTELPRO team. He then gave Hampton a dose of secobarbital that rendered Hampton unconscious during the raid on his home.[46] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
- AndrewBissell 6y ago
  This is a good article on some recent new revelations about the involvement in Hampton's assassination: https://truthout.org/articles/new-documents-suggest-j-edgar-hoover-was-involved-in-fred-hamptons-murder/ https://truthout.org/articles/new-documents-suggest-j-edgar-...
- devindotcom 6y ago
  There's also a very well reviewed film about Hampton out just recently called Judas and the Black Messiah.
- user982 6y ago
  Hey now, the FBI/police drugging Hampton and twice shooting his unconscious body point blank in the head was ruled a justifiable homicide.
2pEXgD0fZ5cF 6y ago
They might not have planned to execute the murder themselves (though I'm not so sure about that), but the deaths of black leaders was certainly one of the goals, or at least a very welcome side effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
tyingq 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton
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chishaku 6y ago
The willful ignorance of what the government does in its citizens' names is sad.
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jascii 6y ago
You could try reading up on for instance Fred Hampton: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton#Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton#Death
AndrewBissell 6y ago
MLK: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/03/30/who-killed-martin-luther-king-jr-his-family-believes-james-earl-ray-was-framed/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/03/30... Part 6 of the "Evidence of Revision" documentary goes into a great amount of detail about the problems with the official narrative of MLK's assassination: https://archive.org/details/EvidenceOfRevision_201610/Evidence+of+Revision+-+Part+6+-+The+Assassination+of+Martin+Luther+King+Jr..mp4 https://archive.org/details/EvidenceOfRevision_201610/Eviden...
Lammy 6y ago
https://nsarchive.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/pages-from-churchv6_12_exhibits.pdf https://nsarchive.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/pages-from-chu... “Through counter-intelligence it should be possible to pinpoint potential trouble-makers and neutralize them…” I think I heard a shot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wauzrPn0cfg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wauzrPn0cfg
vmception 6y ago
> Source? try saying "where can I read more about this topic" if you are interested in the topic, instead of "source?" since "source?" has come to mean an adversarial relationship even if you aren't trying to discredit the person that had not left a source yet. it commonly appears where someone's worldview is not the same and is not willing to accept new information whether a source was provided later or not. for now "source?" means "I'm not interested in what you have to say and will waste your time" and "where can I read more about this topic" means "please provide canonical sources so I can learn more", ironically
- renewiltord 6y ago
  It's the most effective way of getting a response, though. For the same reason that saying "Linux can't even support dual monitors" is way more effective to get you assistance than "I've tried using these xrandr commands but can't get dual monitors working on Ubuntu. Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?". It's an ecosystem problem. You can't fix it by telling individuals to change. For my part, I don't answer these questions until someone has done some research of their own.
- MikeUt 6y ago
  > try saying "where can I read more about this topic" Very polite, but also much more ambiguous. Instead getting a reference backing up the claims, you could get a reading list recommendation on black-white relations in the US.
- wombatmobile 6y ago
  Alternatively, "Could you kindly provide a source reference for that?"
- tinus_hn 6y ago
  To me ‘Source?’ means Wikilawyerism
  - vmception 6y ago
    > wikilawyerism here you just made up a word and I dont know what it means, what does it mean to you?
DanBC 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing > From a Pennsylvania State Police helicopter, Philadelphia Police Department Lt. Frank Powell proceeded to drop two one-pound (0.5 kg) bombs (which the police referred to as "entry devices"[1]) made of FBI-supplied Tovex, a dynamite substitute, targeting a fortified, bunker-like cubicle on the roof of the house.[5]
- cbradford 6y ago
  As instructed and directed by Mayor Wilson Goode. The black democrat mayor of Philadelphia.
  - chishaku 6y ago
    > As instructed and directed by Mayor Wilson Goode. Do you have a source? While taking responsibility, he always claimed he wasn't part of planning the specifics. FWIW I'm skeptical. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/10/when-i-was-mayor-philadelphia-bombed-civilians-its-time-for-the-city-to-apologise https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/10/when-i...
    - vmception 6y ago
      I think the point is that the Mayor of a local municipality is not part of an agency of the Federal government, the FBI Although "black democrat" seems more relevant to some people than others and I'm not exactly sure why.
  - vmception 6y ago
    > The black democrat mayor of Philadelphia. Does it mean that because black and democrat people do it too that its "more justified" because all combinations of people in power find reasons to use force against us residents including disportionately against the black ones, or that because they do it too its not a problem worth paying attention to because state violence perpetuated by non-black people could therefore not be a prejudiced, or something else? if it was a general issue with the state apparatus the race/ethnicity/political affiliation of the perpetrator would not be useful or relevant at all. I've never really understood which point people thought they were making (assuming you were making one at all, it just looks like the similar points made in other discussion forums. like "look black people are killing each other so why spend any energy on this other issue I don't want you to spend energy on!")
baby 6y ago
Not sure why you are getting downvoted, I want to know more about that too, that sounds outrageous (but not surprising)

> the FBI's campaign of ... murder of black leaders Source?

by creato 6y ago

> the FBI's campaign of ... murder of black leaders Source?

The most notable one that comes to mind is Fred Hampton, chairman of the Illinois chapter of the Black Panthers [1]. It was a common part of the COINTELPRO playbook [2]. > The FBI also conspired with the police departments of many U.S. cities (San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Oakland, Philadelphia, Chicago) to encourage repeated raids on Black Panther homes—often with little or no evidence of violations of federal, state, or local laws—which resulted directly in the police killing many members of the Black Panther Party, most notably Chicago Black Panther Party Chairman Fred Hampton on December 4, 1969.[15][69][73] Before the death of Hampton, long-term infiltrator, William O'Neal, shared floor plans of his apartment with the COINTELPRO team. He then gave Hampton a dose of secobarbital that rendered Hampton unconscious during the raid on his home.[46] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

AndrewBissell 6y ago
This is a good article on some recent new revelations about the involvement in Hampton's assassination: https://truthout.org/articles/new-documents-suggest-j-edgar-hoover-was-involved-in-fred-hamptons-murder/ https://truthout.org/articles/new-documents-suggest-j-edgar-...
devindotcom 6y ago
There's also a very well reviewed film about Hampton out just recently called Judas and the Black Messiah.
user982 6y ago
Hey now, the FBI/police drugging Hampton and twice shooting his unconscious body point blank in the head was ruled a justifiable homicide.

2pEXgD0fZ5cF 6y ago

They might not have planned to execute the murder themselves (though I'm not so sure about that), but the deaths of black leaders was certainly one of the goals, or at least a very welcome side effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

tyingq 6y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton

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chishaku 6y ago

The willful ignorance of what the government does in its citizens' names is sad.

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jascii 6y ago

You could try reading up on for instance Fred Hampton: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton#Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton#Death

AndrewBissell 6y ago

MLK: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/03/30/who-killed-martin-luther-king-jr-his-family-believes-james-earl-ray-was-framed/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/03/30... Part 6 of the "Evidence of Revision" documentary goes into a great amount of detail about the problems with the official narrative of MLK's assassination: https://archive.org/details/EvidenceOfRevision_201610/Evidence+of+Revision+-+Part+6+-+The+Assassination+of+Martin+Luther+King+Jr..mp4 https://archive.org/details/EvidenceOfRevision_201610/Eviden...

Lammy 6y ago

https://nsarchive.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/pages-from-churchv6_12_exhibits.pdf https://nsarchive.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/pages-from-chu... “Through counter-intelligence it should be possible to pinpoint potential trouble-makers and neutralize them…” I think I heard a shot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wauzrPn0cfg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wauzrPn0cfg

vmception 6y ago

> Source? try saying "where can I read more about this topic" if you are interested in the topic, instead of "source?" since "source?" has come to mean an adversarial relationship even if you aren't trying to discredit the person that had not left a source yet. it commonly appears where someone's worldview is not the same and is not willing to accept new information whether a source was provided later or not. for now "source?" means "I'm not interested in what you have to say and will waste your time" and "where can I read more about this topic" means "please provide canonical sources so I can learn more", ironically

renewiltord 6y ago
It's the most effective way of getting a response, though. For the same reason that saying "Linux can't even support dual monitors" is way more effective to get you assistance than "I've tried using these xrandr commands but can't get dual monitors working on Ubuntu. Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?". It's an ecosystem problem. You can't fix it by telling individuals to change. For my part, I don't answer these questions until someone has done some research of their own.
MikeUt 6y ago
> try saying "where can I read more about this topic" Very polite, but also much more ambiguous. Instead getting a reference backing up the claims, you could get a reading list recommendation on black-white relations in the US.
wombatmobile 6y ago
Alternatively, "Could you kindly provide a source reference for that?"
tinus_hn 6y ago
To me ‘Source?’ means Wikilawyerism
- vmception 6y ago
  > wikilawyerism here you just made up a word and I dont know what it means, what does it mean to you?

DanBC 6y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing > From a Pennsylvania State Police helicopter, Philadelphia Police Department Lt. Frank Powell proceeded to drop two one-pound (0.5 kg) bombs (which the police referred to as "entry devices"[1]) made of FBI-supplied Tovex, a dynamite substitute, targeting a fortified, bunker-like cubicle on the roof of the house.[5]

cbradford 6y ago
As instructed and directed by Mayor Wilson Goode. The black democrat mayor of Philadelphia.
- chishaku 6y ago
  > As instructed and directed by Mayor Wilson Goode. Do you have a source? While taking responsibility, he always claimed he wasn't part of planning the specifics. FWIW I'm skeptical. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/10/when-i-was-mayor-philadelphia-bombed-civilians-its-time-for-the-city-to-apologise https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/10/when-i...
  - vmception 6y ago
    I think the point is that the Mayor of a local municipality is not part of an agency of the Federal government, the FBI Although "black democrat" seems more relevant to some people than others and I'm not exactly sure why.
- vmception 6y ago
  > The black democrat mayor of Philadelphia. Does it mean that because black and democrat people do it too that its "more justified" because all combinations of people in power find reasons to use force against us residents including disportionately against the black ones, or that because they do it too its not a problem worth paying attention to because state violence perpetuated by non-black people could therefore not be a prejudiced, or something else? if it was a general issue with the state apparatus the race/ethnicity/political affiliation of the perpetrator would not be useful or relevant at all. I've never really understood which point people thought they were making (assuming you were making one at all, it just looks like the similar points made in other discussion forums. like "look black people are killing each other so why spend any energy on this other issue I don't want you to spend energy on!")

baby 6y ago

Not sure why you are getting downvoted, I want to know more about that too, that sounds outrageous (but not surprising)