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You can buy a car with a full self driving package but they don’t imply they sell full self driving. That’s some mental gymnastics, even if they say it’s for fu

You can buy a car with a full self driving package but they don’t imply they sell full self driving. That’s some mental gymnastics, even if they say it’s for future delivery. After all cars have a limited life span, what good is the package if it isn’t delivered within the life of the car?

iamatworknow 6y ago
Yeah, by that logic any car that came with a tape deck had "future aux cord capability": https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/312120241135-0-1/s-l1000.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/312120241135-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
judge2020 6y ago
https://www.tesla.com/model3/design https://www.tesla.com/model3/design > The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. It's in the fine print but it's brought up every time you talk about Autopilot and enabling it in the car (it's disabled by default) requires you accept a disclaimer saying that you need to be paying attention at all times.
- camjohnson26 6y ago
  I understand that they provide a disclaimer, I’m saying they shouldn’t sell it as FSD until they can guarantee FSD will exist within the life of the vehicle. It seems highly unlikely that Tesla is close to fully autonomous driving. The “Paint it Black” demo was over 4 years ago and we haven’t seen anything better since then. We were supposed to get an autonomous road trip from LA to NY by 2017. The videos that have come out of the FSD beta release make it clear that you couldn’t leave the car without intervention for 30 minutes without a major crash occurring. Tesla doesn’t even have any autonomous miles to log in California, unlike dozens of other companies including GM and Waymo. www.businessinsider.com/tesla-rolling-stones-song-latest-autopilot-video-2016-10
FireBeyond 6y ago
Yup. Per Tesla it's unfair to consider eMMC something that should last the lifetime of the car, and entirely fair to sell you FSD that may never work in the lifetime in the car, may never be regulatorily approved, or both.

iamatworknow 6y ago

Yeah, by that logic any car that came with a tape deck had "future aux cord capability": https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/312120241135-0-1/s-l1000.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/312120241135-0-1/s-l1000.jpg

judge2020 6y ago

https://www.tesla.com/model3/design https://www.tesla.com/model3/design > The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. It's in the fine print but it's brought up every time you talk about Autopilot and enabling it in the car (it's disabled by default) requires you accept a disclaimer saying that you need to be paying attention at all times.

camjohnson26 6y ago
I understand that they provide a disclaimer, I’m saying they shouldn’t sell it as FSD until they can guarantee FSD will exist within the life of the vehicle. It seems highly unlikely that Tesla is close to fully autonomous driving. The “Paint it Black” demo was over 4 years ago and we haven’t seen anything better since then. We were supposed to get an autonomous road trip from LA to NY by 2017. The videos that have come out of the FSD beta release make it clear that you couldn’t leave the car without intervention for 30 minutes without a major crash occurring. Tesla doesn’t even have any autonomous miles to log in California, unlike dozens of other companies including GM and Waymo. www.businessinsider.com/tesla-rolling-stones-song-latest-autopilot-video-2016-10

FireBeyond 6y ago

Yup. Per Tesla it's unfair to consider eMMC something that should last the lifetime of the car, and entirely fair to sell you FSD that may never work in the lifetime in the car, may never be regulatorily approved, or both.