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Tesla at no point anywhere advertises they have a full self driving car ready to go. FSD optioned onto the car when you purchase is for "future delivery."

foepys 6y ago
Tesla lost the right to call their drive assistance "Autopilot" in Germany because Tesla couldn't stop implying that their cars were already very close to FSD and more capable than they actually are.
camjohnson26 6y ago
You can buy a car with a full self driving package but they don’t imply they sell full self driving. That’s some mental gymnastics, even if they say it’s for future delivery. After all cars have a limited life span, what good is the package if it isn’t delivered within the life of the car?
- iamatworknow 6y ago
  Yeah, by that logic any car that came with a tape deck had "future aux cord capability": https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/312120241135-0-1/s-l1000.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/312120241135-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
- judge2020 6y ago
  https://www.tesla.com/model3/design https://www.tesla.com/model3/design > The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. It's in the fine print but it's brought up every time you talk about Autopilot and enabling it in the car (it's disabled by default) requires you accept a disclaimer saying that you need to be paying attention at all times.
  - camjohnson26 6y ago
    I understand that they provide a disclaimer, I’m saying they shouldn’t sell it as FSD until they can guarantee FSD will exist within the life of the vehicle. It seems highly unlikely that Tesla is close to fully autonomous driving. The “Paint it Black” demo was over 4 years ago and we haven’t seen anything better since then. We were supposed to get an autonomous road trip from LA to NY by 2017. The videos that have come out of the FSD beta release make it clear that you couldn’t leave the car without intervention for 30 minutes without a major crash occurring. Tesla doesn’t even have any autonomous miles to log in California, unlike dozens of other companies including GM and Waymo. www.businessinsider.com/tesla-rolling-stones-song-latest-autopilot-video-2016-10
- FireBeyond 6y ago
  Yup. Per Tesla it's unfair to consider eMMC something that should last the lifetime of the car, and entirely fair to sell you FSD that may never work in the lifetime in the car, may never be regulatorily approved, or both.
rootusrootus 6y ago
They have gotten better about it, but for a long time they absolutely advertised FSD as mostly complete, and capable of actual unsupervised self-driving. Even after people started pointing out how much of an overt lie the marketing material was, it took a year or so for them to walk it back to something that at least seems to match what you are actually going to get.
- FireBeyond 6y ago
  Absolutely. For a long time they basically all but implied, "the car can do it, we/you just need the regulators to allow it". Not so much.

foepys 6y ago

Tesla lost the right to call their drive assistance "Autopilot" in Germany because Tesla couldn't stop implying that their cars were already very close to FSD and more capable than they actually are.

camjohnson26 6y ago

You can buy a car with a full self driving package but they don’t imply they sell full self driving. That’s some mental gymnastics, even if they say it’s for future delivery. After all cars have a limited life span, what good is the package if it isn’t delivered within the life of the car?

iamatworknow 6y ago
Yeah, by that logic any car that came with a tape deck had "future aux cord capability": https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/312120241135-0-1/s-l1000.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/312120241135-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
judge2020 6y ago
https://www.tesla.com/model3/design https://www.tesla.com/model3/design > The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. It's in the fine print but it's brought up every time you talk about Autopilot and enabling it in the car (it's disabled by default) requires you accept a disclaimer saying that you need to be paying attention at all times.
- camjohnson26 6y ago
  I understand that they provide a disclaimer, I’m saying they shouldn’t sell it as FSD until they can guarantee FSD will exist within the life of the vehicle. It seems highly unlikely that Tesla is close to fully autonomous driving. The “Paint it Black” demo was over 4 years ago and we haven’t seen anything better since then. We were supposed to get an autonomous road trip from LA to NY by 2017. The videos that have come out of the FSD beta release make it clear that you couldn’t leave the car without intervention for 30 minutes without a major crash occurring. Tesla doesn’t even have any autonomous miles to log in California, unlike dozens of other companies including GM and Waymo. www.businessinsider.com/tesla-rolling-stones-song-latest-autopilot-video-2016-10
FireBeyond 6y ago
Yup. Per Tesla it's unfair to consider eMMC something that should last the lifetime of the car, and entirely fair to sell you FSD that may never work in the lifetime in the car, may never be regulatorily approved, or both.

rootusrootus 6y ago

They have gotten better about it, but for a long time they absolutely advertised FSD as mostly complete, and capable of actual unsupervised self-driving. Even after people started pointing out how much of an overt lie the marketing material was, it took a year or so for them to walk it back to something that at least seems to match what you are actually going to get.

FireBeyond 6y ago
Absolutely. For a long time they basically all but implied, "the car can do it, we/you just need the regulators to allow it". Not so much.