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I didn't expect other from a company that is immediately blaming the victim when their self-driving car once again drives somebody into a stationary object or l

by foepys 6y ago

I didn't expect other from a company that is immediately blaming the victim when their self-driving car once again drives somebody into a stationary object or lane divider instead of showing compassion first and launching an investigation later. As a parent/child the first thing that comes from Tesla is a blog post and public statement on how your loved one allegedly was too stupid to use the car while Tesla goes into technical telemetry to grant themselves absolution.

shiftpgdn 6y ago
Tesla at no point anywhere advertises they have a full self driving car ready to go. FSD optioned onto the car when you purchase is for "future delivery."
- foepys 6y ago
  Tesla lost the right to call their drive assistance "Autopilot" in Germany because Tesla couldn't stop implying that their cars were already very close to FSD and more capable than they actually are.
- camjohnson26 6y ago
  You can buy a car with a full self driving package but they don’t imply they sell full self driving. That’s some mental gymnastics, even if they say it’s for future delivery. After all cars have a limited life span, what good is the package if it isn’t delivered within the life of the car?
  - iamatworknow 6y ago
    Yeah, by that logic any car that came with a tape deck had "future aux cord capability": https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/312120241135-0-1/s-l1000.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/312120241135-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
  - judge2020 6y ago
    https://www.tesla.com/model3/design https://www.tesla.com/model3/design > The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. It's in the fine print but it's brought up every time you talk about Autopilot and enabling it in the car (it's disabled by default) requires you accept a disclaimer saying that you need to be paying attention at all times.
    - camjohnson26 6y ago
      I understand that they provide a disclaimer, I’m saying they shouldn’t sell it as FSD until they can guarantee FSD will exist within the life of the vehicle. It seems highly unlikely that Tesla is close to fully autonomous driving. The “Paint it Black” demo was over 4 years ago and we haven’t seen anything better since then. We were supposed to get an autonomous road trip from LA to NY by 2017. The videos that have come out of the FSD beta release make it clear that you couldn’t leave the car without intervention for 30 minutes without a major crash occurring. Tesla doesn’t even have any autonomous miles to log in California, unlike dozens of other companies including GM and Waymo. www.businessinsider.com/tesla-rolling-stones-song-latest-autopilot-video-2016-10
  - FireBeyond 6y ago
    Yup. Per Tesla it's unfair to consider eMMC something that should last the lifetime of the car, and entirely fair to sell you FSD that may never work in the lifetime in the car, may never be regulatorily approved, or both.
- rootusrootus 6y ago
  They have gotten better about it, but for a long time they absolutely advertised FSD as mostly complete, and capable of actual unsupervised self-driving. Even after people started pointing out how much of an overt lie the marketing material was, it took a year or so for them to walk it back to something that at least seems to match what you are actually going to get.
  - FireBeyond 6y ago
    Absolutely. For a long time they basically all but implied, "the car can do it, we/you just need the regulators to allow it". Not so much.
glsdfgkjsklfj 6y ago
> I didn't expect other from a company that ... oh let's not forget how they dealt with engineers calling out problems before they actually happened too: well, i am just going to link to a search because i learned now there were SEVERAL of them https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+whistleblower https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+whistleblower ...Also, while we are not-forgetting... TSLA CEO defended trump calling the country to reopen in the middle of the pandemic, just like other CEOs that sell pillows or something. Funny how we only keep one of them accountable.
- spookthesunset 6y ago
  I mean, we should have opened up back then. All the curves in all the regions around the globe have basically the exact same shape regardless of restrictions in place. They all peaked right around the same time, and are all falling dramatically at the same time. Sure the numbers might be slightly different, but they are all in the same ballpark per capita. Those with heavy handed restrictions didn’t score 10x or 100x better.. they only did marginally better or often even worse! It’s almost as if you cannot stop a respiratory virus using extremely barbaric non pharmaceutical interventions.
  - glsdfgkjsklfj 6y ago
    that is absolutely not correct! very few countries had effective social isolation, most like the US were having both the economic and health negative side effects of closing and not closing because leadership was disagreeing on everything. For example, some cities had curfews and closed restaurants, but open airports and counted every business that was not a restaurant as "essential". But the few countries that did things correctly, like NZ, did have a much better outcome with close to ZERO deaths.

by foepys 6y ago

shiftpgdn 6y ago

Tesla at no point anywhere advertises they have a full self driving car ready to go. FSD optioned onto the car when you purchase is for "future delivery."

foepys 6y ago
Tesla lost the right to call their drive assistance "Autopilot" in Germany because Tesla couldn't stop implying that their cars were already very close to FSD and more capable than they actually are.
camjohnson26 6y ago
You can buy a car with a full self driving package but they don’t imply they sell full self driving. That’s some mental gymnastics, even if they say it’s for future delivery. After all cars have a limited life span, what good is the package if it isn’t delivered within the life of the car?
- iamatworknow 6y ago
  Yeah, by that logic any car that came with a tape deck had "future aux cord capability": https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/312120241135-0-1/s-l1000.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/312120241135-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
- judge2020 6y ago
  https://www.tesla.com/model3/design https://www.tesla.com/model3/design > The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. It's in the fine print but it's brought up every time you talk about Autopilot and enabling it in the car (it's disabled by default) requires you accept a disclaimer saying that you need to be paying attention at all times.
  - camjohnson26 6y ago
    I understand that they provide a disclaimer, I’m saying they shouldn’t sell it as FSD until they can guarantee FSD will exist within the life of the vehicle. It seems highly unlikely that Tesla is close to fully autonomous driving. The “Paint it Black” demo was over 4 years ago and we haven’t seen anything better since then. We were supposed to get an autonomous road trip from LA to NY by 2017. The videos that have come out of the FSD beta release make it clear that you couldn’t leave the car without intervention for 30 minutes without a major crash occurring. Tesla doesn’t even have any autonomous miles to log in California, unlike dozens of other companies including GM and Waymo. www.businessinsider.com/tesla-rolling-stones-song-latest-autopilot-video-2016-10
- FireBeyond 6y ago
  Yup. Per Tesla it's unfair to consider eMMC something that should last the lifetime of the car, and entirely fair to sell you FSD that may never work in the lifetime in the car, may never be regulatorily approved, or both.
rootusrootus 6y ago
They have gotten better about it, but for a long time they absolutely advertised FSD as mostly complete, and capable of actual unsupervised self-driving. Even after people started pointing out how much of an overt lie the marketing material was, it took a year or so for them to walk it back to something that at least seems to match what you are actually going to get.
- FireBeyond 6y ago
  Absolutely. For a long time they basically all but implied, "the car can do it, we/you just need the regulators to allow it". Not so much.

glsdfgkjsklfj 6y ago

> I didn't expect other from a company that ... oh let's not forget how they dealt with engineers calling out problems before they actually happened too: well, i am just going to link to a search because i learned now there were SEVERAL of them https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+whistleblower https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+whistleblower ...Also, while we are not-forgetting... TSLA CEO defended trump calling the country to reopen in the middle of the pandemic, just like other CEOs that sell pillows or something. Funny how we only keep one of them accountable.

spookthesunset 6y ago
I mean, we should have opened up back then. All the curves in all the regions around the globe have basically the exact same shape regardless of restrictions in place. They all peaked right around the same time, and are all falling dramatically at the same time. Sure the numbers might be slightly different, but they are all in the same ballpark per capita. Those with heavy handed restrictions didn’t score 10x or 100x better.. they only did marginally better or often even worse! It’s almost as if you cannot stop a respiratory virus using extremely barbaric non pharmaceutical interventions.
- glsdfgkjsklfj 6y ago
  that is absolutely not correct! very few countries had effective social isolation, most like the US were having both the economic and health negative side effects of closing and not closing because leadership was disagreeing on everything. For example, some cities had curfews and closed restaurants, but open airports and counted every business that was not a restaurant as "essential". But the few countries that did things correctly, like NZ, did have a much better outcome with close to ZERO deaths.