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As far as I can tell, nobody here is advocating that we "get rid of due process and the presumption of innocence". And I assure you that neither I nor the fine

As far as I can tell, nobody here is advocating that we "get rid of due process and the presumption of innocence". And I assure you that neither I nor the fine reporters who've covered this consider ourselves the Punisher :) What Rod Ponton did is not a matter of debate. It is in fact a matter of extensive public record. The legality of his actions on the other hand-- that is, whether they should be punishable under the law-- is a fair thing to debate, and I would certainly not wish to deprive Mr. Ponton of any of his legal rights whatsoever. Quite the contrary, I think we would all (except you apparently) like to see Rod Ponton brought to trial in a neutral venue with competent representation, an impartial judge, and a jury of his peers. Rather than, you know, being protected by the system that he feeds, hidden from the prying eyes of the media and, when noticed in random HN threads, defended by sanctimonious sympathizers such as yourself. Again, fuck you. I'm done with this.

imgabe 6y ago
> I think we would all (except you apparently) like to see Rod Ponton brought to trial in a neutral venue with competent representation, an impartial judge, and a jury of his peers And do you think that stirring up an Internet mob is likely to achieve that? Historically, has that been what Internet mobs do? Are you somehow under the impression that Hacker News is a favorite hangout for the District Attorney in the appropriate jurisdiction? How exactly do you believe that cursing at random people on the Internet will achieve this goal? I'll tell you what, if you email me in 30 days (March 13, 2021) and tell me that you've honestly thought about this even once in the previous 7 days, I'll Venmo you $5 USD. Honor system. My email is in my profile. If instead by then you've moved on to the next outrage du jour, maybe it's time to admit to yourself that you care more about feeling outraged than seeking justice.
- DonHopkins 6y ago
  Well if nate_meurer is wrong about what the public record says, then Ron Ponton can very well use his connections to get the Brewster County Sheriff's Office to force him to roll over and write an obsequious apology and publish it on Facebook for many years, just like he did to his ex-lover. He's not just an innocent kitten who can't stand up for himself. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=802064459817968 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=802064459817968
  - imgabe 6y ago
    Quick, if you and I just make ourselves feel really mad and outraged about that it will fix everything and make the world a better place. C'mon, let's go. Are you doing it? It's not working, try harder!
    - DonHopkins 6y ago
      I'm amused. You're the only one trying to feel outraged. But you go do your thing.
- effingwewt 6y ago
  Did you seriously call someone stating facts that really need to be known stirring up an internet mob? Judge Ferguson and the attorney Rod Ponton are known pieces of shit here in Texas, so instead of crying about the facts- perhaps you should thank GP for enlightening you, and increasing your knowledge.
  - imgabe 6y ago
    It makes absolutely no difference in my life. Nor am I in a position to make a difference in either of their lives. By what possible definition of the word "need" do I need to know? What does my knowing accomplish? Exactly what are you expecting me to do about it? There's a constable in Outer Mongolia who likes to kick puppies. Shall I tell you about him so you can be impotently outraged about it?
    - DonHopkins 6y ago
      For something that "makes absolutely no difference in my life", you sure are whining about it a lot. Do you have a dog in this fight? If what you said were actually true, and you didn't care so much more than everyone else, then you would have never said anything about it in the first place, and you CERTAINLY wouldn't keep replying to everyone's messages, beating a dead horse, trying to stir up your own mob, making a big deal out of nothing, and telling other people that they're overreacting, when you're the one who's overreacting to something you claim you don't even care about.
      - imgabe 6y ago
        It's clearly very important to you that nobody ever question public shaming. You must be very invested in publicly shaming people. Do you happen to be a journalist?
        DonHopkins 6y ago
        You were trying to make the point that "It makes absolutely no difference in my life" -- do you want to continue elaborating?

imgabe 6y ago

> I think we would all (except you apparently) like to see Rod Ponton brought to trial in a neutral venue with competent representation, an impartial judge, and a jury of his peers And do you think that stirring up an Internet mob is likely to achieve that? Historically, has that been what Internet mobs do? Are you somehow under the impression that Hacker News is a favorite hangout for the District Attorney in the appropriate jurisdiction? How exactly do you believe that cursing at random people on the Internet will achieve this goal? I'll tell you what, if you email me in 30 days (March 13, 2021) and tell me that you've honestly thought about this even once in the previous 7 days, I'll Venmo you $5 USD. Honor system. My email is in my profile. If instead by then you've moved on to the next outrage du jour, maybe it's time to admit to yourself that you care more about feeling outraged than seeking justice.

DonHopkins 6y ago
Well if nate_meurer is wrong about what the public record says, then Ron Ponton can very well use his connections to get the Brewster County Sheriff's Office to force him to roll over and write an obsequious apology and publish it on Facebook for many years, just like he did to his ex-lover. He's not just an innocent kitten who can't stand up for himself. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=802064459817968 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=802064459817968
- imgabe 6y ago
  Quick, if you and I just make ourselves feel really mad and outraged about that it will fix everything and make the world a better place. C'mon, let's go. Are you doing it? It's not working, try harder!
  - DonHopkins 6y ago
    I'm amused. You're the only one trying to feel outraged. But you go do your thing.
effingwewt 6y ago
Did you seriously call someone stating facts that really need to be known stirring up an internet mob? Judge Ferguson and the attorney Rod Ponton are known pieces of shit here in Texas, so instead of crying about the facts- perhaps you should thank GP for enlightening you, and increasing your knowledge.
- imgabe 6y ago
  It makes absolutely no difference in my life. Nor am I in a position to make a difference in either of their lives. By what possible definition of the word "need" do I need to know? What does my knowing accomplish? Exactly what are you expecting me to do about it? There's a constable in Outer Mongolia who likes to kick puppies. Shall I tell you about him so you can be impotently outraged about it?
  - DonHopkins 6y ago
    For something that "makes absolutely no difference in my life", you sure are whining about it a lot. Do you have a dog in this fight? If what you said were actually true, and you didn't care so much more than everyone else, then you would have never said anything about it in the first place, and you CERTAINLY wouldn't keep replying to everyone's messages, beating a dead horse, trying to stir up your own mob, making a big deal out of nothing, and telling other people that they're overreacting, when you're the one who's overreacting to something you claim you don't even care about.
    - imgabe 6y ago
      It's clearly very important to you that nobody ever question public shaming. You must be very invested in publicly shaming people. Do you happen to be a journalist?
      - DonHopkins 6y ago
        You were trying to make the point that "It makes absolutely no difference in my life" -- do you want to continue elaborating?