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Ah, brings to my mind the classic talk: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat

th0ma5 6y ago
That one was all cynicism that baited the experienced and confused and discouraged beginners... this one actually takes the important next step of making it all teachable which is really great.
- eyelidlessness 6y ago
  Oh come on Gary literally runs a top notch teaching site and the link was a bit of fun on his previous teaching site.
  - th0ma5 6y ago
    Well he also started a spread of snark that made the entire industry look bad. His own site is called destroy all software. Even if that is meant to be ironic, even that irony isn't helpful.
    - eyelidlessness 6y ago
      I sincerely think you’re taking Gary and the software industry too seriously. Wat is nowhere near as reputation damaging as, say, “PHP a fractal of bad design”, and PHP is doing great. People have aped the talk to highlight rough corners in their own preferred ecosystems. It’s fun. Programming is dealing with a lot of broken stuff. Embrace it and have a laugh.
      - th0ma5 6y ago
        I did that day I first saw it, and then after three years of people pointing and laughing at how awful computers are for upvotes and likes it stopped being funny.
        eyelidlessness 6y ago
        They’re not laughing at you, in case you need to hear that. And it’s not computers that they’re laughing at either. It’s human mistakes, misjudgments, and so on. I’m exceptionally talented as a software developer and I make absolutely boneheaded decision, designs and mistakes sometimes. I find it comforting when I just accept my imperfections. I’m more likely to attach an everythingisterrible.gif to my own PR than anything else. It’s made me feel more at ease with myself and my craft to lighten up and have a casual cynicism about the whole thing. Computers aren’t bad but most of what happens on them is. And that’s okay. Most of everything is bad, in varying degrees. At least the silly bad stuff brings a smile to people’s faces.
        th0ma5 6y ago
        No I totally get this. But the cynicism has been relentless since this online, and contagious, and many use it as an in joke, and this is serious stuff. People's careers... 6 hour conference calls involving tens of experts trying to get to the bottom of these things. Most of these things are just people doing things outside of the language spec and then are somehow surprised when it doesn't work and then make a joke of it all and I don't see how that helps anything. Again, it was funny at the beginning, but now I really wonder if these people just want to hurt other people by being abusive with this incessant snark. Perhaps this an Eternal September issue, so maybe you're somewhat new, but shitting on things is easy.
- serial_dev 6y ago
  Oh no, someone was being funny! Think of the beginners, they can't deal with that! The wat talk is funny and educational. I watched it with just a couple of weeks of experience in JavaScript, and I learned a lot from it. There are other great resources (the good parts, the you don't know js series, etc), but none of them offer value so quickly. The wat talk is a great reminder to learn more about the language you are using and start reading the aforementioned books.
  - th0ma5 6y ago
    Oh no, more sarcasm. If only I was in on the joke /s
eyelidlessness 6y ago
I already had the song NaNNaNNaNNaN watman in my head before I clicked the link. Edit: okay this thing that gave me a little smile deserved a downvote for some reason I guess. Hope whoever else comes along and doesn’t like a cute fun thing or me enjoying it can explain why.
- Maakuth 6y ago
  You do know what they say about Watman - he's not the hero we deserved but the hero we need. Have a nice day!

th0ma5 6y ago

That one was all cynicism that baited the experienced and confused and discouraged beginners... this one actually takes the important next step of making it all teachable which is really great.

eyelidlessness 6y ago
Oh come on Gary literally runs a top notch teaching site and the link was a bit of fun on his previous teaching site.
- th0ma5 6y ago
  Well he also started a spread of snark that made the entire industry look bad. His own site is called destroy all software. Even if that is meant to be ironic, even that irony isn't helpful.
  - eyelidlessness 6y ago
    I sincerely think you’re taking Gary and the software industry too seriously. Wat is nowhere near as reputation damaging as, say, “PHP a fractal of bad design”, and PHP is doing great. People have aped the talk to highlight rough corners in their own preferred ecosystems. It’s fun. Programming is dealing with a lot of broken stuff. Embrace it and have a laugh.
    - th0ma5 6y ago
      I did that day I first saw it, and then after three years of people pointing and laughing at how awful computers are for upvotes and likes it stopped being funny.
      - eyelidlessness 6y ago
        They’re not laughing at you, in case you need to hear that. And it’s not computers that they’re laughing at either. It’s human mistakes, misjudgments, and so on. I’m exceptionally talented as a software developer and I make absolutely boneheaded decision, designs and mistakes sometimes. I find it comforting when I just accept my imperfections. I’m more likely to attach an everythingisterrible.gif to my own PR than anything else. It’s made me feel more at ease with myself and my craft to lighten up and have a casual cynicism about the whole thing. Computers aren’t bad but most of what happens on them is. And that’s okay. Most of everything is bad, in varying degrees. At least the silly bad stuff brings a smile to people’s faces.
        th0ma5 6y ago
        No I totally get this. But the cynicism has been relentless since this online, and contagious, and many use it as an in joke, and this is serious stuff. People's careers... 6 hour conference calls involving tens of experts trying to get to the bottom of these things. Most of these things are just people doing things outside of the language spec and then are somehow surprised when it doesn't work and then make a joke of it all and I don't see how that helps anything. Again, it was funny at the beginning, but now I really wonder if these people just want to hurt other people by being abusive with this incessant snark. Perhaps this an Eternal September issue, so maybe you're somewhat new, but shitting on things is easy.
serial_dev 6y ago
Oh no, someone was being funny! Think of the beginners, they can't deal with that! The wat talk is funny and educational. I watched it with just a couple of weeks of experience in JavaScript, and I learned a lot from it. There are other great resources (the good parts, the you don't know js series, etc), but none of them offer value so quickly. The wat talk is a great reminder to learn more about the language you are using and start reading the aforementioned books.
- th0ma5 6y ago
  Oh no, more sarcasm. If only I was in on the joke /s

eyelidlessness 6y ago

I already had the song NaNNaNNaNNaN watman in my head before I clicked the link. Edit: okay this thing that gave me a little smile deserved a downvote for some reason I guess. Hope whoever else comes along and doesn’t like a cute fun thing or me enjoying it can explain why.

Maakuth 6y ago
You do know what they say about Watman - he's not the hero we deserved but the hero we need. Have a nice day!