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Not everyone wants to pay taxes either, but sometimes sacrifices will need to be made so that we don't ruin this planet. Sure having personal space and full aut

by km3r 6y ago

Not everyone wants to pay taxes either, but sometimes sacrifices will need to be made so that we don't ruin this planet. Sure having personal space and full autonomy in movement is nice, but it may have to be realized in different ways as we start to see the damage we are doing to this planet.

zionic 6y ago
A planet with only mass transit is not a planet I want to live on. Many will fight you to the bitter end on this.
- gzer0 6y ago
  I think the crux of the argument here is that we will not have a planet to live on anymore.
- monsieurbanana 6y ago
  > A planet with only mass transit is not a planet I want to live on Pitiful strawman. I've never heard someone argue to have "only mass transit". More focus on common transports, cycling cities? Yes, please. Of course, many like you will still fight it "to the bitter end", whatever that means.
- tehjoker 6y ago
  Most people lived and died within 20 miles of where they were born until extremely recently. In that context, this sort of idea is kind of amusing given we have many different parameters (such as the viability of life on earth) to consider in solving social problems.
cscurmudgeon 6y ago
Let’s follow the science. Cruise ships pollute more than cars. But you won’t see any green politician discuss that. Why? https://www.thedrive.com/news/28469/carnival-cruise-ship-fleet-pollutes-almost-10-times-more-than-all-cars-in-europe-study https://www.thedrive.com/news/28469/carnival-cruise-ship-fle...
- monocasa 6y ago
  Because cruise ships do their polluting primarily in international waters and are registered under flags of convenience. They have separate fuel tanks for in western countries' jurisdictions to fulfill the regulations that these green politicians have already passed.
  - Swenrekcah 6y ago
    This sort of non-compliance compliance infuriates me. Any ships with dual tanks should be banned from western waters.
    - cjrp 6y ago
      Then they'll invent one with triple tanks ;)
- dagw 6y ago
  But you won’t see any green politician discuss that Do you live in a city that gets a lot of cruise ship traffic? Because in my experience a lot of green politicians are very keen on banning cruise ships.
  - cscurmudgeon 6y ago
    Source?
- petersellers 6y ago
  That article says nothing about CO2, which is by far the biggest man-made contributor to global warming (and probably what the person above you was referring to)
- sampo 6y ago
  > Cruise ships pollute more than cars Sulfur oxides (SOx), yes. Carbon dioxide (CO2), no.

by km3r 6y ago

zionic 6y ago

A planet with only mass transit is not a planet I want to live on. Many will fight you to the bitter end on this.

gzer0 6y ago
I think the crux of the argument here is that we will not have a planet to live on anymore.
monsieurbanana 6y ago
> A planet with only mass transit is not a planet I want to live on Pitiful strawman. I've never heard someone argue to have "only mass transit". More focus on common transports, cycling cities? Yes, please. Of course, many like you will still fight it "to the bitter end", whatever that means.
tehjoker 6y ago
Most people lived and died within 20 miles of where they were born until extremely recently. In that context, this sort of idea is kind of amusing given we have many different parameters (such as the viability of life on earth) to consider in solving social problems.

cscurmudgeon 6y ago

Let’s follow the science. Cruise ships pollute more than cars. But you won’t see any green politician discuss that. Why? https://www.thedrive.com/news/28469/carnival-cruise-ship-fleet-pollutes-almost-10-times-more-than-all-cars-in-europe-study https://www.thedrive.com/news/28469/carnival-cruise-ship-fle...

monocasa 6y ago
Because cruise ships do their polluting primarily in international waters and are registered under flags of convenience. They have separate fuel tanks for in western countries' jurisdictions to fulfill the regulations that these green politicians have already passed.
- Swenrekcah 6y ago
  This sort of non-compliance compliance infuriates me. Any ships with dual tanks should be banned from western waters.
  - cjrp 6y ago
    Then they'll invent one with triple tanks ;)
dagw 6y ago
But you won’t see any green politician discuss that Do you live in a city that gets a lot of cruise ship traffic? Because in my experience a lot of green politicians are very keen on banning cruise ships.
- cscurmudgeon 6y ago
  Source?
petersellers 6y ago
That article says nothing about CO2, which is by far the biggest man-made contributor to global warming (and probably what the person above you was referring to)
sampo 6y ago
> Cruise ships pollute more than cars Sulfur oxides (SOx), yes. Carbon dioxide (CO2), no.