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Please provide your detailed analysis of the cost of operating any maintaining software at scale to back up your arguments. Please site sources and make sure yo

Please provide your detailed analysis of the cost of operating any maintaining software at scale to back up your arguments. Please site sources and make sure your data comes from enterprises at the same scale as Apple. You comment is a rant with no data. I have run product teams as well as run production customer facing networks. It is never as simple as your comment says. While I can GUESS on 20+ years of experience in the space that Apple is likely making a nice profit on their cut, I in no way believe it “free”. Also please tell me why a company is not allowed to profit on their work? Where is the bill to open the Google Play store, or the Samsung store, or the XYZ store for your TV apps? I personally am very happy with the knowledge that in general the Apple Store is safe for my non-techie wife and kids. I cannot say the same thing for Google that my in-laws use, having been forced to remove the spam apps the Google store happily allowed them to install. Reviewing an application is not a 100% software / script driven function. Apple seems to set the bar on quality and trust for that. I am happy to pay to live in that system. This is being driven by someone that is pissed at Apple because they could not deal with the terms required to provide an application in the Apple ecosystem.

naikrovek 6y ago
I can sideload on any device you mentioned that isn't an apple device. All Apple need to do is allow sideloading, just like everyone else does. Anyone and everyone can continue to use the app store all they want, but there must be a way around (sideloading) if apple want to avoid the threat of laws like this. Stop being a blind fan for a few minutes and think. No one is suggesting that the app store go away. No one is saying that apple must give away access to the app store for free. All anyone with a valid complaint wants is a single viable way to load apps and accept payment without going through the app store. THAT'S IT. THAT'S LITERALLY THE ENTIRE ASK. It's not a lot to ask for given that literally every other consumer device you mentioned allows exactly that and has from the beginning. Apple fans act like it's impossible to provide this or unreasonable to ask for it. Everyone else recognizes that this is a valid thing to allow your customers to do. Apple says "nah, screw the customer" and the apple fans just go "oh apple, you're so wise and sexy" and I simply don't get the lust some seem to have for that company.
- myrandomcomment 6y ago
  Why does Apple have to allow this? Because you want it? You do not have to build in the Apple ecosystem. Android has 85% market share. Write for that if it makes you happy. If you want access to that other 15% of the market well then you have to play in their rules. If people where not happy with that then they would not be successful. The lack of side loading has not hurt Apple because most people just do not give a damn. Allowing side loading would NOT suddenly open a huge market because the average person that buys Apple would not use it. On the other hand requiring Apple to create a method to do this imposes on Apple all the development, testing and security issue that would be created by this “feature”, not to mention the public bad will of some dumb user that follows some random webpage and gets pawned and then blames Apple for allowing it. It is not magically free. It has a cost to Apple that they have to right to say no to. People have a choice of what phones they buy with 85% of the market being Android. I am sick of everyone complaining about this. You have a choice to of where to build and play. Just because you are a developer that does not want to pay Apple what the market will bare does not give you the right to tell them how to run their business. The average Apple customer does not feel they are being screwed by Apple because they do not support side loading. If they did they would not buy the product. I am willing to bet the % of the install base or really people that side load on Android is insignificant vs the daily user base. Oh I am not a blind fan. I am someone that has been in all the roles from support to development to product management. I have done this long enough that I think about the cost (money, man hours) for the simple thing that everyone seems to think is obvious until they pull it apart and understand the real details involved.
  - naikrovek 6y ago
    It's not about Apple versus Android. It's about letting software vendors and phone handset owners escape the apple tax, if they want to. It is apples stranglehold over the handsets that individual people own that is the problem. You have to pay to buy the phone, then you aren't even free to do what you want with it. If you don't understand in your bones why that is bad, there is absolutely nothing anyone can say to change your mind. So, why are you taking time to be a part of a discussion when you have no intention of listening to the other side? I don't understand internet people... The only thing people who complain about this want, is just a tiny bit of freedom to develop and install apps on their phone without the app store IF AND ONLY IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT SPECIFICALLY. I really don't understand why apple or apple fans are against this. It hurts no one and it gives a tiny bit of freedom to that tiny number of people who want this additional freedom. If anything, this would increase iphone market share.

naikrovek 6y ago

I can sideload on any device you mentioned that isn't an apple device. All Apple need to do is allow sideloading, just like everyone else does. Anyone and everyone can continue to use the app store all they want, but there must be a way around (sideloading) if apple want to avoid the threat of laws like this. Stop being a blind fan for a few minutes and think. No one is suggesting that the app store go away. No one is saying that apple must give away access to the app store for free. All anyone with a valid complaint wants is a single viable way to load apps and accept payment without going through the app store. THAT'S IT. THAT'S LITERALLY THE ENTIRE ASK. It's not a lot to ask for given that literally every other consumer device you mentioned allows exactly that and has from the beginning. Apple fans act like it's impossible to provide this or unreasonable to ask for it. Everyone else recognizes that this is a valid thing to allow your customers to do. Apple says "nah, screw the customer" and the apple fans just go "oh apple, you're so wise and sexy" and I simply don't get the lust some seem to have for that company.

myrandomcomment 6y ago
Why does Apple have to allow this? Because you want it? You do not have to build in the Apple ecosystem. Android has 85% market share. Write for that if it makes you happy. If you want access to that other 15% of the market well then you have to play in their rules. If people where not happy with that then they would not be successful. The lack of side loading has not hurt Apple because most people just do not give a damn. Allowing side loading would NOT suddenly open a huge market because the average person that buys Apple would not use it. On the other hand requiring Apple to create a method to do this imposes on Apple all the development, testing and security issue that would be created by this “feature”, not to mention the public bad will of some dumb user that follows some random webpage and gets pawned and then blames Apple for allowing it. It is not magically free. It has a cost to Apple that they have to right to say no to. People have a choice of what phones they buy with 85% of the market being Android. I am sick of everyone complaining about this. You have a choice to of where to build and play. Just because you are a developer that does not want to pay Apple what the market will bare does not give you the right to tell them how to run their business. The average Apple customer does not feel they are being screwed by Apple because they do not support side loading. If they did they would not buy the product. I am willing to bet the % of the install base or really people that side load on Android is insignificant vs the daily user base. Oh I am not a blind fan. I am someone that has been in all the roles from support to development to product management. I have done this long enough that I think about the cost (money, man hours) for the simple thing that everyone seems to think is obvious until they pull it apart and understand the real details involved.
- naikrovek 6y ago
  It's not about Apple versus Android. It's about letting software vendors and phone handset owners escape the apple tax, if they want to. It is apples stranglehold over the handsets that individual people own that is the problem. You have to pay to buy the phone, then you aren't even free to do what you want with it. If you don't understand in your bones why that is bad, there is absolutely nothing anyone can say to change your mind. So, why are you taking time to be a part of a discussion when you have no intention of listening to the other side? I don't understand internet people... The only thing people who complain about this want, is just a tiny bit of freedom to develop and install apps on their phone without the app store IF AND ONLY IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT SPECIFICALLY. I really don't understand why apple or apple fans are against this. It hurts no one and it gives a tiny bit of freedom to that tiny number of people who want this additional freedom. If anything, this would increase iphone market share.