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>First, cars. Enough said. No not really. Cars are wonderful, not everyone who lives on this planet wants to share space with strangers.

by mandis 6y ago

nine_k 6y ago
Cars are wonderful and useful when moving, less so, when stationary. Allowing a second way to use the area taken by the cars is reasonable — a car parking does not need access to the sky, until we have the fabled flying cars.
kbenson 6y ago
Nobody said cars have no benefits. But they do have very real drawbacks that are obvious at this point, they just aren't borne by the owner exclusively. Cars as the exist today for the most part are the best method we have for increasing mobility and economic independence for those that don't live near or can't leverage public transportation (and sometimes in those cases too). They are still objectively awful in many other aspects though.
km3r 6y ago
Not everyone wants to pay taxes either, but sometimes sacrifices will need to be made so that we don't ruin this planet. Sure having personal space and full autonomy in movement is nice, but it may have to be realized in different ways as we start to see the damage we are doing to this planet.
- zionic 6y ago
  A planet with only mass transit is not a planet I want to live on. Many will fight you to the bitter end on this.
  - gzer0 6y ago
    I think the crux of the argument here is that we will not have a planet to live on anymore.
  - monsieurbanana 6y ago
    > A planet with only mass transit is not a planet I want to live on Pitiful strawman. I've never heard someone argue to have "only mass transit". More focus on common transports, cycling cities? Yes, please. Of course, many like you will still fight it "to the bitter end", whatever that means.
  - tehjoker 6y ago
    Most people lived and died within 20 miles of where they were born until extremely recently. In that context, this sort of idea is kind of amusing given we have many different parameters (such as the viability of life on earth) to consider in solving social problems.
- cscurmudgeon 6y ago
  Let’s follow the science. Cruise ships pollute more than cars. But you won’t see any green politician discuss that. Why? https://www.thedrive.com/news/28469/carnival-cruise-ship-fleet-pollutes-almost-10-times-more-than-all-cars-in-europe-study https://www.thedrive.com/news/28469/carnival-cruise-ship-fle...
  - monocasa 6y ago
    Because cruise ships do their polluting primarily in international waters and are registered under flags of convenience. They have separate fuel tanks for in western countries' jurisdictions to fulfill the regulations that these green politicians have already passed.
    - Swenrekcah 6y ago
      This sort of non-compliance compliance infuriates me. Any ships with dual tanks should be banned from western waters.
      - cjrp 6y ago
        Then they'll invent one with triple tanks ;)
  - dagw 6y ago
    But you won’t see any green politician discuss that Do you live in a city that gets a lot of cruise ship traffic? Because in my experience a lot of green politicians are very keen on banning cruise ships.
    - cscurmudgeon 6y ago
      Source?
  - petersellers 6y ago
    That article says nothing about CO2, which is by far the biggest man-made contributor to global warming (and probably what the person above you was referring to)

>First, cars. Enough said. No not really. Cars are wonderful, not everyone who lives on this planet wants to share space with strangers.

by mandis 6y ago

>First, cars. Enough said. No not really. Cars are wonderful, not everyone who lives on this planet wants to share space with strangers.

nine_k 6y ago

Cars are wonderful and useful when moving, less so, when stationary. Allowing a second way to use the area taken by the cars is reasonable — a car parking does not need access to the sky, until we have the fabled flying cars.

kbenson 6y ago

Nobody said cars have no benefits. But they do have very real drawbacks that are obvious at this point, they just aren't borne by the owner exclusively. Cars as the exist today for the most part are the best method we have for increasing mobility and economic independence for those that don't live near or can't leverage public transportation (and sometimes in those cases too). They are still objectively awful in many other aspects though.

km3r 6y ago

Not everyone wants to pay taxes either, but sometimes sacrifices will need to be made so that we don't ruin this planet. Sure having personal space and full autonomy in movement is nice, but it may have to be realized in different ways as we start to see the damage we are doing to this planet.

zionic 6y ago
A planet with only mass transit is not a planet I want to live on. Many will fight you to the bitter end on this.
- gzer0 6y ago
  I think the crux of the argument here is that we will not have a planet to live on anymore.
- monsieurbanana 6y ago
  > A planet with only mass transit is not a planet I want to live on Pitiful strawman. I've never heard someone argue to have "only mass transit". More focus on common transports, cycling cities? Yes, please. Of course, many like you will still fight it "to the bitter end", whatever that means.
- tehjoker 6y ago
  Most people lived and died within 20 miles of where they were born until extremely recently. In that context, this sort of idea is kind of amusing given we have many different parameters (such as the viability of life on earth) to consider in solving social problems.
cscurmudgeon 6y ago
Let’s follow the science. Cruise ships pollute more than cars. But you won’t see any green politician discuss that. Why? https://www.thedrive.com/news/28469/carnival-cruise-ship-fleet-pollutes-almost-10-times-more-than-all-cars-in-europe-study https://www.thedrive.com/news/28469/carnival-cruise-ship-fle...
- monocasa 6y ago
  Because cruise ships do their polluting primarily in international waters and are registered under flags of convenience. They have separate fuel tanks for in western countries' jurisdictions to fulfill the regulations that these green politicians have already passed.
  - Swenrekcah 6y ago
    This sort of non-compliance compliance infuriates me. Any ships with dual tanks should be banned from western waters.
    - cjrp 6y ago
      Then they'll invent one with triple tanks ;)
- dagw 6y ago
  But you won’t see any green politician discuss that Do you live in a city that gets a lot of cruise ship traffic? Because in my experience a lot of green politicians are very keen on banning cruise ships.
  - cscurmudgeon 6y ago
    Source?
- petersellers 6y ago
  That article says nothing about CO2, which is by far the biggest man-made contributor to global warming (and probably what the person above you was referring to)