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Idk why I see downvotes here for a legit comment and concern. Parking lots are absolutely awful. First, cars. Enough said. Second, they take up a lot of space

Idk why I see downvotes here for a legit comment and concern. Parking lots are absolutely awful. First, cars. Enough said. Second, they take up a lot of space with low utilization. Third, heat.

KirillPanov 6y ago
> Idk why I see downvotes here discussion derailment turning every thread into a debate about your pet sociopolitical issue is unhelpful.
mandis 6y ago
>First, cars. Enough said. No not really. Cars are wonderful, not everyone who lives on this planet wants to share space with strangers.
- nine_k 6y ago
  Cars are wonderful and useful when moving, less so, when stationary. Allowing a second way to use the area taken by the cars is reasonable — a car parking does not need access to the sky, until we have the fabled flying cars.
- kbenson 6y ago
  Nobody said cars have no benefits. But they do have very real drawbacks that are obvious at this point, they just aren't borne by the owner exclusively. Cars as the exist today for the most part are the best method we have for increasing mobility and economic independence for those that don't live near or can't leverage public transportation (and sometimes in those cases too). They are still objectively awful in many other aspects though.
- km3r 6y ago
  Not everyone wants to pay taxes either, but sometimes sacrifices will need to be made so that we don't ruin this planet. Sure having personal space and full autonomy in movement is nice, but it may have to be realized in different ways as we start to see the damage we are doing to this planet.
  - zionic 6y ago
    A planet with only mass transit is not a planet I want to live on. Many will fight you to the bitter end on this.
    - gzer0 6y ago
      I think the crux of the argument here is that we will not have a planet to live on anymore.
    - monsieurbanana 6y ago
      > A planet with only mass transit is not a planet I want to live on Pitiful strawman. I've never heard someone argue to have "only mass transit". More focus on common transports, cycling cities? Yes, please. Of course, many like you will still fight it "to the bitter end", whatever that means.
    - tehjoker 6y ago
      Most people lived and died within 20 miles of where they were born until extremely recently. In that context, this sort of idea is kind of amusing given we have many different parameters (such as the viability of life on earth) to consider in solving social problems.
  - cscurmudgeon 6y ago
    Let’s follow the science. Cruise ships pollute more than cars. But you won’t see any green politician discuss that. Why? https://www.thedrive.com/news/28469/carnival-cruise-ship-fleet-pollutes-almost-10-times-more-than-all-cars-in-europe-study https://www.thedrive.com/news/28469/carnival-cruise-ship-fle...
    - monocasa 6y ago
      Because cruise ships do their polluting primarily in international waters and are registered under flags of convenience. They have separate fuel tanks for in western countries' jurisdictions to fulfill the regulations that these green politicians have already passed.
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tehjoker 6y ago
I recall during hurricane Harvey in 2017, the news reported that part of the reason for the innundation was due to so much green space and dirt being covered up by impermeable artificial surfaces, which caused the water to have no where to go except to accumulate and flow into the city.
exabrial 6y ago
If you choose to live in an over crowded area like a Coastal City, this is true. Texas is huge with a lot of space; so while yes, gas powered vehicles might not great, consider for a second there a much larger world than the small bubble you live in.

Idk why I see downvotes here for a legit comment and concern. Parking lots are absolutely awful. First, cars. Enough said. Second, they take up a lot of space with low utilization. Third, heat.

KirillPanov 6y ago

> Idk why I see downvotes here discussion derailment turning every thread into a debate about your pet sociopolitical issue is unhelpful.

mandis 6y ago

>First, cars. Enough said. No not really. Cars are wonderful, not everyone who lives on this planet wants to share space with strangers.

nine_k 6y ago
Cars are wonderful and useful when moving, less so, when stationary. Allowing a second way to use the area taken by the cars is reasonable — a car parking does not need access to the sky, until we have the fabled flying cars.
kbenson 6y ago
Nobody said cars have no benefits. But they do have very real drawbacks that are obvious at this point, they just aren't borne by the owner exclusively. Cars as the exist today for the most part are the best method we have for increasing mobility and economic independence for those that don't live near or can't leverage public transportation (and sometimes in those cases too). They are still objectively awful in many other aspects though.
km3r 6y ago
Not everyone wants to pay taxes either, but sometimes sacrifices will need to be made so that we don't ruin this planet. Sure having personal space and full autonomy in movement is nice, but it may have to be realized in different ways as we start to see the damage we are doing to this planet.
- zionic 6y ago
  A planet with only mass transit is not a planet I want to live on. Many will fight you to the bitter end on this.
  - gzer0 6y ago
    I think the crux of the argument here is that we will not have a planet to live on anymore.
  - monsieurbanana 6y ago
    > A planet with only mass transit is not a planet I want to live on Pitiful strawman. I've never heard someone argue to have "only mass transit". More focus on common transports, cycling cities? Yes, please. Of course, many like you will still fight it "to the bitter end", whatever that means.
  - tehjoker 6y ago
    Most people lived and died within 20 miles of where they were born until extremely recently. In that context, this sort of idea is kind of amusing given we have many different parameters (such as the viability of life on earth) to consider in solving social problems.
- cscurmudgeon 6y ago
  Let’s follow the science. Cruise ships pollute more than cars. But you won’t see any green politician discuss that. Why? https://www.thedrive.com/news/28469/carnival-cruise-ship-fleet-pollutes-almost-10-times-more-than-all-cars-in-europe-study https://www.thedrive.com/news/28469/carnival-cruise-ship-fle...
  - monocasa 6y ago
    Because cruise ships do their polluting primarily in international waters and are registered under flags of convenience. They have separate fuel tanks for in western countries' jurisdictions to fulfill the regulations that these green politicians have already passed.

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tehjoker 6y ago

I recall during hurricane Harvey in 2017, the news reported that part of the reason for the innundation was due to so much green space and dirt being covered up by impermeable artificial surfaces, which caused the water to have no where to go except to accumulate and flow into the city.

exabrial 6y ago

If you choose to live in an over crowded area like a Coastal City, this is true. Texas is huge with a lot of space; so while yes, gas powered vehicles might not great, consider for a second there a much larger world than the small bubble you live in.