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> No, it’s not a choice more than obesity / food addiction is. I agree that obesity/food addiction and drug addiction are both on a similar level, but to me th
by filoleg 6y ago
> No, it’s not a choice more than obesity / food addiction is.
I agree that obesity/food addiction and drug addiction are both on a similar level, but to me they both sound like a choice.
Mostly because if we decide to apply the same standard you use for qualifying whether something is a choice or not, then literally nothing is a choice.
A man who physically abuses his wife and children? Not a choice, he is doing it simply because he had some experiences in his life that made him that way or he is just simply genetically predisposed. Someone cheats on their partner? Not their choice, they were predisposed to do it or their partner was just not making them happy enough. Harvey Weinstein? Not his choice, he was just a victim of his own circumstance who was also genetically predisposed to do what he did.
You get the idea, but I honestly do not believe that most of those things are anything but choices, unless we decide to pretend we believe in predetermination and complete lack of free will. In which case, I would agree with you, those decisions were not choices, because choices don't exist in the context of belief in predetermination.
Mind you, I am not saying there are no circumstances in which those situations would not be a choice. There are indeed some scenarios like that. However, and that's purely subjective based on my personal observations, those scenarios are a minority.
- lupire 6y agoThe logical trouble you are having is trying to fit an analogy multidimensional phenomenon into a binary model.
- filoleg 6y agoTo be fair, I simplified, and I agree with your critique of what I said. I don't think it is a binary choice vs. not choice. If speaking frankly, I do believe that any of those things discussed feature both a choice component and a predisposition component. The proportion of each of those two components varies heavily based on a person and a situation. However, even with this in mind, it is difficult to say that the choice component is ever at zero. We can discuss to which degree humans have a choice in their actions, because it is definitely debatable, since they all agree on the ground truth that there is always some degree of choice. But that discussion cannot coexist with a belief in total predetermination, since that removes any ground truth completely.
- cratermoon 6y ago> to me they both sound like a choice Addiction Is a Brain Disease, and It Matters: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/278/5335/45 https://science.sciencemag.org/content/278/5335/45