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Plus, the first world inhabitants pollute much, much more than third world individuals. Plane travel, consumerism, person/car ratio, etc etc

bromuro 6y ago
Oh “first” or “third”, this is actually the “only one” world we have. The more we want to be rich, the more we destroy it. ...how many want to be rich?
- murukesh_s 6y ago
  What is rich actually? I still don't understand how can an entire nation be rich without someone (immigrant) or machines doing your job.. or access to latest gadgets? but i still see people struggling to pay for education, finding jobs is extremely difficult etc.. people are still low/middle/upper irrespective of the country. there are several developing nations where people don't have so much struggle to live.
Const-me 6y ago
> Plane travel, consumerism, person/car ratio, etc etc The rest of the world is catching up faster than most people are aware. Here's a link for daily plastic waste generation per person: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/plastic-waste-per-capita https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/plastic-waste-per-capita I don't see an obvious correlation between first world and amount of waste: the #1 country is Guyana, China and Russia are well above Canada, etc. Similar with CO2 emissions: https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/ https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-pe... The #1 is Qatar, we in Montenegro are on the second place.
- vinay427 6y ago
  Yes, there isn't a clear divide between "first-world" and everyone else anymore. That being said, I think the wealthier countries that are more industrialized have a debt to pay with regards to climate impact given that they were able to develop and build before mainstream awareness of the issue, and virtually all of the accumulated pollution today is therefore due to these industrialized nations. I'd like to see a period in which China, India, and smaller nations are able to use more than their share of the global quota while the wealthier countries in western Europe and North America use less, per capita and in sum.

bromuro 6y ago

Oh “first” or “third”, this is actually the “only one” world we have. The more we want to be rich, the more we destroy it. ...how many want to be rich?

murukesh_s 6y ago
What is rich actually? I still don't understand how can an entire nation be rich without someone (immigrant) or machines doing your job.. or access to latest gadgets? but i still see people struggling to pay for education, finding jobs is extremely difficult etc.. people are still low/middle/upper irrespective of the country. there are several developing nations where people don't have so much struggle to live.

Const-me 6y ago

> Plane travel, consumerism, person/car ratio, etc etc The rest of the world is catching up faster than most people are aware. Here's a link for daily plastic waste generation per person: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/plastic-waste-per-capita https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/plastic-waste-per-capita I don't see an obvious correlation between first world and amount of waste: the #1 country is Guyana, China and Russia are well above Canada, etc. Similar with CO2 emissions: https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/ https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-pe... The #1 is Qatar, we in Montenegro are on the second place.

vinay427 6y ago
Yes, there isn't a clear divide between "first-world" and everyone else anymore. That being said, I think the wealthier countries that are more industrialized have a debt to pay with regards to climate impact given that they were able to develop and build before mainstream awareness of the issue, and virtually all of the accumulated pollution today is therefore due to these industrialized nations. I'd like to see a period in which China, India, and smaller nations are able to use more than their share of the global quota while the wealthier countries in western Europe and North America use less, per capita and in sum.