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Maybe it's, you know, people caring about a livable planet. The "Big survival of humanity" lobby.

by hannob 6y ago

insert_coin 6y ago
Energy is a big part of that. We need as much electricity as possible to combat the effects of climate change.
frongpik 6y ago
It's the same people who allow coca cola to poison the planet with plastic so it could make money by poisoning people with sugar. It's the same people who let adtech eat energy budgets of large countries. Same people that encourage the planned goods depreciation economy so we have city sized dump sites. They speak about bitcoin only to remove the spotlight from the real polluters who make some respectable people very rich.
ur-whale 6y ago
You're right to focus on the really important issues, it is clearly Bitcoin that's going to ruin it for us all and it should be an absolute priority on every self-righteous internet user's agenda. Oh, btw, did you heat your house today? Or did you happen to drive a car? Or did you fly in a plane prior to COVID? How much fossil fuel was burned to move your 80-ish kg from point A to point B in the air? Energy consumption is on an exponential growth curve. Has been, will be for the foreseeable future. The problem is how the energy is produced, not the fact that we use energy.
- mithr 6y ago
  Does you personally heating your house, or driving a car, or flying planes, for a year match the energy consumption of an entire country? > At current rates, bitcoin mining uses the same amount of energy every year as the Netherlands did in 2019 Part of the problem is certainly in how the energy is produced. But another part of the equation is that this store of value, by itself, adds very significant amounts of consumption to that growth curve you mentioned. Wish as we may that we could just snap our fingers and switch to clean energy, realistically that will not happen in the near future. Meanwhile, bitcoin mining will continue to consume as much energy annually as entire countries, and much of that energy will come from non-clean energy. I'm not saying "let's burn bitcoin", or saying that I have a way out of this situation. But it's either a bit disingenuous or a bit naive to compare personal use of electricity to that of bitcoin's, in order to imply that only "self-righteous internet users" need to concern themselves with it.
- viraptor 6y ago
  You can care about more than one issue or aspect of the issue at the same time. There's never one change that will fix everything.
rorykoehler 6y ago
Interestingly it's the same people who drop millions of tonnes of munitions to protect the dollar without any environmental impact stories hitting the media.

Maybe it's, you know, people caring about a livable planet. The "Big survival of humanity" lobby.

by hannob 6y ago

Maybe it's, you know, people caring about a livable planet. The "Big survival of humanity" lobby.

insert_coin 6y ago

Energy is a big part of that. We need as much electricity as possible to combat the effects of climate change.

frongpik 6y ago

It's the same people who allow coca cola to poison the planet with plastic so it could make money by poisoning people with sugar. It's the same people who let adtech eat energy budgets of large countries. Same people that encourage the planned goods depreciation economy so we have city sized dump sites. They speak about bitcoin only to remove the spotlight from the real polluters who make some respectable people very rich.

ur-whale 6y ago

You're right to focus on the really important issues, it is clearly Bitcoin that's going to ruin it for us all and it should be an absolute priority on every self-righteous internet user's agenda. Oh, btw, did you heat your house today? Or did you happen to drive a car? Or did you fly in a plane prior to COVID? How much fossil fuel was burned to move your 80-ish kg from point A to point B in the air? Energy consumption is on an exponential growth curve. Has been, will be for the foreseeable future. The problem is how the energy is produced, not the fact that we use energy.

mithr 6y ago
Does you personally heating your house, or driving a car, or flying planes, for a year match the energy consumption of an entire country? > At current rates, bitcoin mining uses the same amount of energy every year as the Netherlands did in 2019 Part of the problem is certainly in how the energy is produced. But another part of the equation is that this store of value, by itself, adds very significant amounts of consumption to that growth curve you mentioned. Wish as we may that we could just snap our fingers and switch to clean energy, realistically that will not happen in the near future. Meanwhile, bitcoin mining will continue to consume as much energy annually as entire countries, and much of that energy will come from non-clean energy. I'm not saying "let's burn bitcoin", or saying that I have a way out of this situation. But it's either a bit disingenuous or a bit naive to compare personal use of electricity to that of bitcoin's, in order to imply that only "self-righteous internet users" need to concern themselves with it.
viraptor 6y ago
You can care about more than one issue or aspect of the issue at the same time. There's never one change that will fix everything.

rorykoehler 6y ago

Interestingly it's the same people who drop millions of tonnes of munitions to protect the dollar without any environmental impact stories hitting the media.