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> As an aside, Microsoft fought in court to force OEMs to not install this crap alongside Windows (reasonably since it was damaging their brand and making the m

> As an aside, Microsoft fought in court to force OEMs to not install this crap alongside Windows (reasonably since it was damaging their brand and making the machines less secure), but they lost Haven't heard that, but haven't paid much attention to windows since c. 2000 - I believe it's more stable and secure now than it was in the windows 98 days. Why not have a "reset to clean install" option in windows, which resets everything to just the installed state? Why not distribute the windows CD with the machine so the user can reinstall?

thrusong 6y ago
I could be wrong because, like you, I haven't used Windows in quite some time (jumped ship when Windows 8 came along and never used it), but I think Windows 10 does include some sort of clean install/reset setting.
ohazi 6y ago
Because you want the drivers and hardware quirk fixes that the oem included, just not the bloatware/malware that they were paid to include. Not all hardware is as friendly as Linux on a Thinkpad... Sometimes a clean install would leave you without a display, or would put some bizarre peripheral in an unusable state.
- xirbeosbwo1234 6y ago
  A big green 'Accept Windows Defaults' button on the first boot that bricks the computer would be a pretty big incentive for vendors to sort out their drivers.
  - notriddle 6y ago
    But they wouldn't sort out their drivers. They'd just tell the user not to click it.
- iso1631 6y ago
  Why wouldn't the OS manufacturer bundle required drivers?
mrtksn 6y ago
My father asked me to “fix his laptop”, I looked at it and wasn’t able to tell if it was windows 10 or 8 or Vista. It has become some strange hybrid somehow with telling different things in the different parts of the OS. Also the styling would be different at the different parts of the OS(The windows menu looks like 10 but the window decorations are like Vista etc.). He had some professional software that wants to keep so I didn’t dare to do a fresh install or clean up, left it as is. He is still using it just like that.
- notriddle 6y ago
  I think he's running with DWM turned off: https://superuser.com/questions/1016170/temporarily-disable-desktop-composition-in-windows-10 https://superuser.com/questions/1016170/temporarily-disable-...
ygjb 6y ago
Windows has that feature now. It's surprisingly effective, and is smart enough to preserve, for the most part, user files as well. A major reason that CD's stopped being used is the straight up lack of optical drives on modern computers. In most cases these days you specifically need to look for a device that includes optical or other physical media that is not USB. Given the ubiquity of internet access in most markets where computers are sold (even in developing countries), it is very reasonable to expect that even as a last ditch, the user will be able to connect to the internet on a tethered cell phone, and this is reflected by the fact that on consumer OS you can specify that a connection is metered.
- moftz 6y ago
  The restore CDs that the OEM included with the computer still had all the crap baked into it. You needed a retail copy of Windows and hopefully someone hadn't ripped the OEM key sticker off the computer.
  - selfhoster11 6y ago
    The OEM key would be usually encoded into the BIOS on newer releases of Windows, and could be read from a working Windows install using a freeware utility. In practice, it was unlikely you'd have to reinstall on a freshly wiped PC that you don't have an OEM key for.
- iso1631 6y ago
  I'm talking 20 years ago, when the average windows machine was a bugladen mess of crap piled on by the OEM because they got paid a bit, and the only "restore cd" was an OEM disk which had all the crap. A proper windows CD would have allowed people to wipe all that out and just have vanilla windows. Microsoft weren't interested in that.

thrusong 6y ago

I could be wrong because, like you, I haven't used Windows in quite some time (jumped ship when Windows 8 came along and never used it), but I think Windows 10 does include some sort of clean install/reset setting.

ohazi 6y ago

Because you want the drivers and hardware quirk fixes that the oem included, just not the bloatware/malware that they were paid to include. Not all hardware is as friendly as Linux on a Thinkpad... Sometimes a clean install would leave you without a display, or would put some bizarre peripheral in an unusable state.

xirbeosbwo1234 6y ago
A big green 'Accept Windows Defaults' button on the first boot that bricks the computer would be a pretty big incentive for vendors to sort out their drivers.
- notriddle 6y ago
  But they wouldn't sort out their drivers. They'd just tell the user not to click it.
iso1631 6y ago
Why wouldn't the OS manufacturer bundle required drivers?

mrtksn 6y ago

My father asked me to “fix his laptop”, I looked at it and wasn’t able to tell if it was windows 10 or 8 or Vista. It has become some strange hybrid somehow with telling different things in the different parts of the OS. Also the styling would be different at the different parts of the OS(The windows menu looks like 10 but the window decorations are like Vista etc.). He had some professional software that wants to keep so I didn’t dare to do a fresh install or clean up, left it as is. He is still using it just like that.

notriddle 6y ago
I think he's running with DWM turned off: https://superuser.com/questions/1016170/temporarily-disable-desktop-composition-in-windows-10 https://superuser.com/questions/1016170/temporarily-disable-...

ygjb 6y ago

Windows has that feature now. It's surprisingly effective, and is smart enough to preserve, for the most part, user files as well. A major reason that CD's stopped being used is the straight up lack of optical drives on modern computers. In most cases these days you specifically need to look for a device that includes optical or other physical media that is not USB. Given the ubiquity of internet access in most markets where computers are sold (even in developing countries), it is very reasonable to expect that even as a last ditch, the user will be able to connect to the internet on a tethered cell phone, and this is reflected by the fact that on consumer OS you can specify that a connection is metered.

moftz 6y ago
The restore CDs that the OEM included with the computer still had all the crap baked into it. You needed a retail copy of Windows and hopefully someone hadn't ripped the OEM key sticker off the computer.
- selfhoster11 6y ago
  The OEM key would be usually encoded into the BIOS on newer releases of Windows, and could be read from a working Windows install using a freeware utility. In practice, it was unlikely you'd have to reinstall on a freshly wiped PC that you don't have an OEM key for.
iso1631 6y ago
I'm talking 20 years ago, when the average windows machine was a bugladen mess of crap piled on by the OEM because they got paid a bit, and the only "restore cd" was an OEM disk which had all the crap. A proper windows CD would have allowed people to wipe all that out and just have vanilla windows. Microsoft weren't interested in that.