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Related ( user-side ) : Facebook Container https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/facebook-container/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/f

by 2112 6y ago

Related ( user-side ) : Facebook Container https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/facebook-container/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/facebook-cont...

davemtl 6y ago
This container is a piece of art. Ever since using this, Facebook no longer has any "Off-Facebook Activity" about me.
- 2112 6y ago
  Have you managed to verify this or you're just assuming it ? I'm just assuming it, that's why I'm asking. Like have you made a request for your data from Facebook / data brokers and it looks straight ? I trust Mozilla to the fullest and have made no effort to investigate.
  - davemtl 6y ago
    You can verify it for yourself. Facebook lets you view this information. https://www.facebook.com/off_facebook_activity https://www.facebook.com/off_facebook_activity
    - Nextgrid 6y ago
      Facebook collected this data for years but only recently started disclosing it. There's no reason to trust that they're disclosing all the data they're collecting.
    - ramraj07 6y ago
      I don't trust that this is all they have about me. Wasn't there reports that they were generating dark profiles about people not even on Facebook (by mining contact information from others)?
      - ketzo 6y ago
        That skepticism is definitely healthy, but by the GDPR, this is required to be every single thing they have on you, under penalty of significant fines. That doesn't mean it is everything... but it at least makes that a little more likely? Some light optimism for you, I guess. Edit: seems even this isn't necessarily true.. damn.
        throwaway744678 6y ago
        Only for EU citizens.
        hadrien01 6y ago
        They have to tell you everything they know about you, by law... but that doesn’t mean this webpage contains every information they collected. And getting everything is rather complicated: https://ruben.verborgh.org/facebook/ https://ruben.verborgh.org/facebook/
    - TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
      Thank you very much for that link. I didn’t know about it.
    - megous 6y ago
      "If you want to continue, you have to log in" lol I guess I though it would be something like https://www.facebook.com/shadow_profile_activity https://www.facebook.com/shadow_profile_activity
    - rufugee 6y ago
      Interesting...I've been using the Facebook container for well over a year and have been very careful to only access facebook from it....but they still list very recent (like yesterday) data in my off_facebook_activity. This is very frustrating.
      - o-__-o 6y ago
        Use umatrix to block all trackers. You are probably getting caught by third party trackers
  - _joel 6y ago
    You can check this in the settings. They really obfuscate and have dark patterns here but last time I checked it was there.
- cnorthwood 6y ago
  Facebook managed to get some off-Facebook activity from me even using this. The site in question was also loaded in a Private Browsing window and Facebook claimed it was from pixel tracking. I'm guessing they've inferred it based on IP, especially as I live by myself. How this is legal under GDPR, given I'm a UK citizen, I'm really not sure.
  - josephg 6y ago
    Is the GDPR still in effect in the UK, now you've left the EU?
    - kachnuv_ocasek 6y ago
      Yes. It’s not like all the EU laws the UK had adopted before Brexit suddenly went out the window overnight.
      - datenhorst 6y ago
        Not necessarily true, since regulations are EU law that is immediately enforceable in member states, and are not generally transposed into state law.
        mamon 6y ago
        I guess it depends on the country. In Poland my experience is that every time EU passes some regulation Polish parliament passes the corresponding bill implementing it. So even if we left EU tomorrow those bills will still be in effect. Also, I'm not sure about this "immediately enforceable" part - I recall some cases where member states delayed implementing EU laws for years, sometimes ending up being sued to European Court of Justice.
        codethief 6y ago
        > I guess it depends on the country. AFAIK it works pretty much the same in all countries and only depends on whether it's an EU regulation[0] or an EU directive[1]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_(European_Union) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_(European_Union) [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_(European_Union) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_(European_Union)
npteljes 6y ago
I do this, but to every webpage - so there should be much less cross-site talk. Not that the advertising machine doesn't have a million other ways of getting though. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/temporary-containers/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/temporary-con...

by 2112 6y ago

Related ( user-side ) : Facebook Container https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/facebook-container/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/facebook-cont...

davemtl 6y ago

This container is a piece of art. Ever since using this, Facebook no longer has any "Off-Facebook Activity" about me.

2112 6y ago
Have you managed to verify this or you're just assuming it ? I'm just assuming it, that's why I'm asking. Like have you made a request for your data from Facebook / data brokers and it looks straight ? I trust Mozilla to the fullest and have made no effort to investigate.
- davemtl 6y ago
  You can verify it for yourself. Facebook lets you view this information. https://www.facebook.com/off_facebook_activity https://www.facebook.com/off_facebook_activity
  - Nextgrid 6y ago
    Facebook collected this data for years but only recently started disclosing it. There's no reason to trust that they're disclosing all the data they're collecting.
  - ramraj07 6y ago
    I don't trust that this is all they have about me. Wasn't there reports that they were generating dark profiles about people not even on Facebook (by mining contact information from others)?
    - ketzo 6y ago
      That skepticism is definitely healthy, but by the GDPR, this is required to be every single thing they have on you, under penalty of significant fines. That doesn't mean it is everything... but it at least makes that a little more likely? Some light optimism for you, I guess. Edit: seems even this isn't necessarily true.. damn.
      - throwaway744678 6y ago
        Only for EU citizens.
      - hadrien01 6y ago
        They have to tell you everything they know about you, by law... but that doesn’t mean this webpage contains every information they collected. And getting everything is rather complicated: https://ruben.verborgh.org/facebook/ https://ruben.verborgh.org/facebook/
  - TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
    Thank you very much for that link. I didn’t know about it.
  - megous 6y ago
    "If you want to continue, you have to log in" lol I guess I though it would be something like https://www.facebook.com/shadow_profile_activity https://www.facebook.com/shadow_profile_activity
  - rufugee 6y ago
    Interesting...I've been using the Facebook container for well over a year and have been very careful to only access facebook from it....but they still list very recent (like yesterday) data in my off_facebook_activity. This is very frustrating.
    - o-__-o 6y ago
      Use umatrix to block all trackers. You are probably getting caught by third party trackers
- _joel 6y ago
  You can check this in the settings. They really obfuscate and have dark patterns here but last time I checked it was there.
cnorthwood 6y ago
Facebook managed to get some off-Facebook activity from me even using this. The site in question was also loaded in a Private Browsing window and Facebook claimed it was from pixel tracking. I'm guessing they've inferred it based on IP, especially as I live by myself. How this is legal under GDPR, given I'm a UK citizen, I'm really not sure.
- josephg 6y ago
  Is the GDPR still in effect in the UK, now you've left the EU?
  - kachnuv_ocasek 6y ago
    Yes. It’s not like all the EU laws the UK had adopted before Brexit suddenly went out the window overnight.
    - datenhorst 6y ago
      Not necessarily true, since regulations are EU law that is immediately enforceable in member states, and are not generally transposed into state law.
      - mamon 6y ago
        I guess it depends on the country. In Poland my experience is that every time EU passes some regulation Polish parliament passes the corresponding bill implementing it. So even if we left EU tomorrow those bills will still be in effect. Also, I'm not sure about this "immediately enforceable" part - I recall some cases where member states delayed implementing EU laws for years, sometimes ending up being sued to European Court of Justice.
        codethief 6y ago
        > I guess it depends on the country. AFAIK it works pretty much the same in all countries and only depends on whether it's an EU regulation[0] or an EU directive[1]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_(European_Union) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_(European_Union) [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_(European_Union) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_(European_Union)

npteljes 6y ago

I do this, but to every webpage - so there should be much less cross-site talk. Not that the advertising machine doesn't have a million other ways of getting though. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/temporary-containers/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/temporary-con...