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Have a look at Big Sur, then check out Deepin, then have a look again at Big Sur.

by rangoon626 6y ago

Macha 6y ago
Or if you claim that Deepin is too obscure to have influenced OS X, Gnome 3.
- machello13 6y ago
  I mean this in the nicest way, but are you seriously suggesting Apple is looking to the open-source Linux community for UI design ideas? Isn't it much more likely the trend is just industry-wide, and Apple is part of it as much as Gnome is? Apple's own UI has been moving in that direction for years anyway before Big Sur.
  - Macha 6y ago
    Are you seriously suggesting that the open source community has not a single idea that is worth considering by Apple? Anyway, here is gnome 3: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F9%2F97%2FGNOME_Shell.png&f=1&nofb=1 https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F... here is big sur: https://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/macos-big-sur.jpg https://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/macos-bi... Let's take a look at one of the most shown off redesigned apps Here is Mail.app (sierra to catalina): https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.stack.imgur.com%2FamyMN.jpg&f=1&nofb=1 https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F... Here is Mail.app (Big Sur): https://i1.wp.com/morrick.me/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/default-interface.png?resize=960%2C579 https://i1.wp.com/morrick.me/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/defa... Here is Gnome's mail app (predates big sur by several years, even in this incarnation): https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Geary?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=geary-3-36-main-window.png https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Geary?action=AttachFile&do=get&t... So, Gnome's design and Apple's didn't exist in a vacuum. I'm not saying Apple told someone to go rip off Gnome 3, or that Gnome 3 is just better than Big Sur in some way. But I think it's altogether too harsh to deny it had any influence when we look at the changes from Catalina to Big Sur.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Graphics are cute, yet when one digs deeper there are no proper frameworks that provide the Feel, only the Look.
      - fnord123 6y ago
        This is true. Macos's window management is still a dumpster fire (Cmd-tab to go to the last window raises all windows in that application. And switching to the previous application across two monitors will focus on the application windows in the monitor of the most recently focused window - not the last window).
        prewett 6y ago
        That's because Cmd-tab switches applications, not windows. Generally macOS doesn't do "window management" it does "application management". Once you start thinking "what application is active" instead of "which window is active" you'll find it pretty natural. Took me about a week of full-time use of decades of Windows/Linux. (Although, admittedly I had used MultiFinder back in the day, so I was already used to the paradigm.) Calling it a "dumpster fire" is a bit overdoing it when it's just a different paradigm.
        fnord123 6y ago
        I think everyone is aware that it's a different paradigm. It was introduced in the 80s as a way to have floating windows for the application and reuse the same tool windows for e.g. Photoshop without a parent window. But now even Photoshop has a parenting window. Almost everyone just maximises all their applications since Mac window management doesn't work. And everyone else has to install Spectacle or Rectangle[1] I am attacking the paradigm. It has had its time. It is done. It should leave. [1] https://github.com/eczarny/spectacle https://github.com/eczarny/spectacle https://github.com/rxhanson/Rectangle https://github.com/rxhanson/Rectangle
        oneeyedpigeon 6y ago
  - pwdisswordfish6 6y ago
    General trends? Yes, of course. But at Jobs's very last WWDC event, they demoed a lot of new Mac developments for Lion that specifically (not generally) mirrored some of the features going into Gnome Shell after (very public) design iteration. At the time, I came away saying that it was basically "Gnome Shell, rotated 90 degrees". Not sure what "open-source Linux community" means to you, besides a phrase that can be used to denigrate and diminish the work of people who have skill and vision by associating them with unrelated projects that lack polish. You're also doing a pretty annoying thing where, rather than engaging with someone on the topic of discussion, you instead appeal to the audience's intuition and essentially suggest that the conversation need not happen because the other side can be dismissed outright due to Common Sense things that everyone Knows. (It's a great tactic when your goal is to prevent anyone from taking something seriously because serious examination would necessarily lead to confronting something uncomfortable.)

Have a look at Big Sur, then check out Deepin, then have a look again at Big Sur.

Macha 6y ago

Or if you claim that Deepin is too obscure to have influenced OS X, Gnome 3.

machello13 6y ago
I mean this in the nicest way, but are you seriously suggesting Apple is looking to the open-source Linux community for UI design ideas? Isn't it much more likely the trend is just industry-wide, and Apple is part of it as much as Gnome is? Apple's own UI has been moving in that direction for years anyway before Big Sur.
- Macha 6y ago
  Are you seriously suggesting that the open source community has not a single idea that is worth considering by Apple? Anyway, here is gnome 3: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F9%2F97%2FGNOME_Shell.png&f=1&nofb=1 https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F... here is big sur: https://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/macos-big-sur.jpg https://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/macos-bi... Let's take a look at one of the most shown off redesigned apps Here is Mail.app (sierra to catalina): https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.stack.imgur.com%2FamyMN.jpg&f=1&nofb=1 https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F... Here is Mail.app (Big Sur): https://i1.wp.com/morrick.me/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/default-interface.png?resize=960%2C579 https://i1.wp.com/morrick.me/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/defa... Here is Gnome's mail app (predates big sur by several years, even in this incarnation): https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Geary?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=geary-3-36-main-window.png https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Geary?action=AttachFile&do=get&t... So, Gnome's design and Apple's didn't exist in a vacuum. I'm not saying Apple told someone to go rip off Gnome 3, or that Gnome 3 is just better than Big Sur in some way. But I think it's altogether too harsh to deny it had any influence when we look at the changes from Catalina to Big Sur.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Graphics are cute, yet when one digs deeper there are no proper frameworks that provide the Feel, only the Look.
    - fnord123 6y ago
      This is true. Macos's window management is still a dumpster fire (Cmd-tab to go to the last window raises all windows in that application. And switching to the previous application across two monitors will focus on the application windows in the monitor of the most recently focused window - not the last window).
      - prewett 6y ago
        That's because Cmd-tab switches applications, not windows. Generally macOS doesn't do "window management" it does "application management". Once you start thinking "what application is active" instead of "which window is active" you'll find it pretty natural. Took me about a week of full-time use of decades of Windows/Linux. (Although, admittedly I had used MultiFinder back in the day, so I was already used to the paradigm.) Calling it a "dumpster fire" is a bit overdoing it when it's just a different paradigm.
        fnord123 6y ago
        I think everyone is aware that it's a different paradigm. It was introduced in the 80s as a way to have floating windows for the application and reuse the same tool windows for e.g. Photoshop without a parent window. But now even Photoshop has a parenting window. Almost everyone just maximises all their applications since Mac window management doesn't work. And everyone else has to install Spectacle or Rectangle[1] I am attacking the paradigm. It has had its time. It is done. It should leave. [1] https://github.com/eczarny/spectacle https://github.com/eczarny/spectacle https://github.com/rxhanson/Rectangle https://github.com/rxhanson/Rectangle
        oneeyedpigeon 6y ago
- pwdisswordfish6 6y ago
  General trends? Yes, of course. But at Jobs's very last WWDC event, they demoed a lot of new Mac developments for Lion that specifically (not generally) mirrored some of the features going into Gnome Shell after (very public) design iteration. At the time, I came away saying that it was basically "Gnome Shell, rotated 90 degrees". Not sure what "open-source Linux community" means to you, besides a phrase that can be used to denigrate and diminish the work of people who have skill and vision by associating them with unrelated projects that lack polish. You're also doing a pretty annoying thing where, rather than engaging with someone on the topic of discussion, you instead appeal to the audience's intuition and essentially suggest that the conversation need not happen because the other side can be dismissed outright due to Common Sense things that everyone Knows. (It's a great tactic when your goal is to prevent anyone from taking something seriously because serious examination would necessarily lead to confronting something uncomfortable.)