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Are you involved in the project? Isn't this a massive copyright infringement on Apple's design?

mistrial9 6y ago
I am using ctl-c ctl-v ctl-x and ctl-z "undo" right now, in 2021. These keyboard shortcuts and their menu-driven actions were definitely claimed as protected interface by Apple long ago. Apple's claims to user-interface control are wearing thin after close to four decades, no?
- blackrock 6y ago
  Apple claims they own the rounded corners. Pay up if you want to use it.
  - grahamjperrin 6y ago
    Genuinely? https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2021/02/12/freebsd_that_looks_like_macos/#c_4203943 https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2021/02/12/freebsd_... was thought to be a joke …
rangoon626 6y ago
Have a look at Big Sur, then check out Deepin, then have a look again at Big Sur.
- Macha 6y ago
  Or if you claim that Deepin is too obscure to have influenced OS X, Gnome 3.
  - machello13 6y ago
    I mean this in the nicest way, but are you seriously suggesting Apple is looking to the open-source Linux community for UI design ideas? Isn't it much more likely the trend is just industry-wide, and Apple is part of it as much as Gnome is? Apple's own UI has been moving in that direction for years anyway before Big Sur.
    - Macha 6y ago
      Are you seriously suggesting that the open source community has not a single idea that is worth considering by Apple? Anyway, here is gnome 3: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F9%2F97%2FGNOME_Shell.png&f=1&nofb=1 https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F... here is big sur: https://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/macos-big-sur.jpg https://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/macos-bi... Let's take a look at one of the most shown off redesigned apps Here is Mail.app (sierra to catalina): https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.stack.imgur.com%2FamyMN.jpg&f=1&nofb=1 https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F... Here is Mail.app (Big Sur): https://i1.wp.com/morrick.me/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/default-interface.png?resize=960%2C579 https://i1.wp.com/morrick.me/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/defa... Here is Gnome's mail app (predates big sur by several years, even in this incarnation): https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Geary?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=geary-3-36-main-window.png https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Geary?action=AttachFile&do=get&t... So, Gnome's design and Apple's didn't exist in a vacuum. I'm not saying Apple told someone to go rip off Gnome 3, or that Gnome 3 is just better than Big Sur in some way. But I think it's altogether too harsh to deny it had any influence when we look at the changes from Catalina to Big Sur.
      - pjmlp 6y ago
        Graphics are cute, yet when one digs deeper there are no proper frameworks that provide the Feel, only the Look.
        fnord123 6y ago
        This is true. Macos's window management is still a dumpster fire (Cmd-tab to go to the last window raises all windows in that application. And switching to the previous application across two monitors will focus on the application windows in the monitor of the most recently focused window - not the last window).
        prewett 6y ago
indigodaddy 6y ago
The look of the text in the top left in this screenshot where they are trying to mimic an “about this mac” sort of deal, frankly leaves a lot to be desired. It just looks very unattractive to me. https://149366088.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Screenshot-2021-02-09-at-18.16.jpeg https://149366088.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/202...
- oneeyedpigeon 6y ago
  And why is that menu so unnecessarily wide?
- grahamjperrin 6y ago
  Accessibility: the Search menu cursor and user input lack visibility/legibility · Issue #45 · helloSystem/Menu https://github.com/helloSystem/Menu/issues/45 https://github.com/helloSystem/Menu/issues/45
Cieplak 6y ago
> Isn't this a massive copyright infringement on Apple's design? I'm not a lawyer but I think Xerox had the same question back in '89 [1]. Given Apple's luck in pursuing infringement claims against Microsoft [2], I doubt a copyright suit would be fruitful in this case. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/1989/12/15/business/company-news-xerox-sues-apple-computer-over-macintosh-copyright.html https://www.nytimes.com/1989/12/15/business/company-news-xer... [2] https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/blog/1988-apple-sues-microsoft/ https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/blog/1988-apple-sues-micros...
grahamjperrin 6y ago
> … copyright infringement on Apple's design? https://github.com/helloSystem/hello/issues/38 https://github.com/helloSystem/hello/issues/38

I am using ctl-c ctl-v ctl-x and ctl-z "undo" right now, in 2021. These keyboard shortcuts and their menu-driven actions were definitely claimed as protected interface by Apple long ago. Apple's claims to user-interface control are wearing thin after close to four decades, no?

blackrock 6y ago
Apple claims they own the rounded corners. Pay up if you want to use it.
- grahamjperrin 6y ago
  Genuinely? https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2021/02/12/freebsd_that_looks_like_macos/#c_4203943 https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2021/02/12/freebsd_... was thought to be a joke …

rangoon626 6y ago

Have a look at Big Sur, then check out Deepin, then have a look again at Big Sur.

Macha 6y ago
Or if you claim that Deepin is too obscure to have influenced OS X, Gnome 3.
- machello13 6y ago
  I mean this in the nicest way, but are you seriously suggesting Apple is looking to the open-source Linux community for UI design ideas? Isn't it much more likely the trend is just industry-wide, and Apple is part of it as much as Gnome is? Apple's own UI has been moving in that direction for years anyway before Big Sur.
  - Macha 6y ago
    Are you seriously suggesting that the open source community has not a single idea that is worth considering by Apple? Anyway, here is gnome 3: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F9%2F97%2FGNOME_Shell.png&f=1&nofb=1 https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F... here is big sur: https://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/macos-big-sur.jpg https://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/macos-bi... Let's take a look at one of the most shown off redesigned apps Here is Mail.app (sierra to catalina): https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.stack.imgur.com%2FamyMN.jpg&f=1&nofb=1 https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F... Here is Mail.app (Big Sur): https://i1.wp.com/morrick.me/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/default-interface.png?resize=960%2C579 https://i1.wp.com/morrick.me/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/defa... Here is Gnome's mail app (predates big sur by several years, even in this incarnation): https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Geary?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=geary-3-36-main-window.png https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Geary?action=AttachFile&do=get&t... So, Gnome's design and Apple's didn't exist in a vacuum. I'm not saying Apple told someone to go rip off Gnome 3, or that Gnome 3 is just better than Big Sur in some way. But I think it's altogether too harsh to deny it had any influence when we look at the changes from Catalina to Big Sur.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Graphics are cute, yet when one digs deeper there are no proper frameworks that provide the Feel, only the Look.
      - fnord123 6y ago
        This is true. Macos's window management is still a dumpster fire (Cmd-tab to go to the last window raises all windows in that application. And switching to the previous application across two monitors will focus on the application windows in the monitor of the most recently focused window - not the last window).
        prewett 6y ago

indigodaddy 6y ago

The look of the text in the top left in this screenshot where they are trying to mimic an “about this mac” sort of deal, frankly leaves a lot to be desired. It just looks very unattractive to me. https://149366088.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Screenshot-2021-02-09-at-18.16.jpeg https://149366088.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/202...

oneeyedpigeon 6y ago
And why is that menu so unnecessarily wide?
grahamjperrin 6y ago
Accessibility: the Search menu cursor and user input lack visibility/legibility · Issue #45 · helloSystem/Menu https://github.com/helloSystem/Menu/issues/45 https://github.com/helloSystem/Menu/issues/45

Cieplak 6y ago

> Isn't this a massive copyright infringement on Apple's design? I'm not a lawyer but I think Xerox had the same question back in '89 [1]. Given Apple's luck in pursuing infringement claims against Microsoft [2], I doubt a copyright suit would be fruitful in this case. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/1989/12/15/business/company-news-xerox-sues-apple-computer-over-macintosh-copyright.html https://www.nytimes.com/1989/12/15/business/company-news-xer... [2] https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/blog/1988-apple-sues-microsoft/ https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/blog/1988-apple-sues-micros...

grahamjperrin 6y ago

> … copyright infringement on Apple's design? https://github.com/helloSystem/hello/issues/38 https://github.com/helloSystem/hello/issues/38